Kindle DX refurb vs. new DXG?

ziegl027 · 10-22-2010, 11:09 PM

So, the old white DX is available as a refurb for $269. The new DX "graphite" is $379. Other than being a spiffier (IMO) color, is there anything about the new DX that is worth the hundred bucks' difference? I hear the screen is a bit better, but is it THAT much better? Any other significant differences?

I'm slightly tempted to order both, then ship one back......

joblack · 10-22-2010, 11:44 PM

Get the new one - the display rocks (it is a lot of better).

Madam Broshkina · 10-22-2010, 11:50 PM

If you can afford to spend the extra $110 I say go for the DXG. The screen is better and the chances that they will upgrade the firmware are better with the DXG then with the old DX.

rcuadro · 10-23-2010, 06:56 AM

For $100 i would get the older one. I have both and while the screen is better I dont think it is $100 better.
Save your cash for books

curstpriest · 10-23-2010, 12:25 PM

the screen on the dx is much better also the graphite case gives you better contrast. get the dxg. 100 isnt that much if you are going to use it a lot. for firmware i assume they will update all k2 and dx at same time not just dxg but it is a guess.

TallMomof2 · 10-23-2010, 12:58 PM

This is from an old thread but the DXG is supposed to be upgraded to the same capabilities as the K3. If you can afford the extra $ it is well worth it, IMO.

paperwastage · 10-23-2010, 04:54 PM

my friend has the DX refurb, i have the graphite

when you compare it side by side, you'll want the graphite. the change is that noticeable

if you can afford it, then do it

ziegl027 · 10-23-2010, 06:20 PM

Thanks for all the input!

As it stands, I think I'll just be patient a while longer. I really, really, REALLY want full PDF functionality (annotations, etc). If that's going to happen soon, I'd rather it happen BEFORE I buy rather than get it and feel burned if PDF notes never comes along. Does that make any sense at all? I can wait until Christmas, at least

. I think. We'll see......

Maybe by then there will be DXG's in the refurb store

.

curstpriest · 10-23-2010, 08:31 PM

If you really need PDF support.. don't get a kindle.. get an ipad or a hybrid device... Kindle pdf support is lackadaisical at best.

even the entourage is better for PDFs if you have the money and don't mind lugging a brick around with you....
+ you can take notes and such from what I understand.

http://www.entourageedge.com/entourage-edge.html

ziegl027 · 10-24-2010, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curstpriest

don't get a kindle.. get an ipad or a hybrid device... Kindle pdf support is lackadaisical at best.

Don't like the display on the one or the weight on the other. I don't need full computing power sort of support, I'd be completely happy if I can just look up a word here and there, highlight some stuff, and jot down a note in the "margin". Like I can with my Sony Touch/600, and what people apparently can do with the K3. Those are just too dang small for a journal article on MRI.....

curstpriest · 10-24-2010, 03:31 PM

Unfortunately this is the way it is for now. Just hope amazon decides to update the DX then.

Eventually somebody will make a 10 in E-ink single display with a touchscreen that is android based that uses a stylus. I would have bought such a tablet if one existed and had decent PDF support, but none did. The only ones around really were the kindle DX and the entourage.. and the entourage is just too bulky (3lbs vs the DX 1.2), it's e-ink screen is also slightly lower quality, and it only lasts like 8 hours using ereader only (LCD off), the DX lasts like 60.. so yeah. It's also only 8 shades of gray and reflective. But you can watch video, surf the web, and do other stuff, so it's an interesting idea for a student, but still needs more refinement. Perhaps later versions will be smaller and better. One big downfall is that it doesn't have the standard android marketplace (oops?).

zzzxtreme · 10-25-2010, 10:50 PM

the pdf support sucks? what if i open a particular PDF in a PC, then re-print it as images in PDF format (so there'll be no vector graphics). so will the kindle display it nicely? will the kindle remember the last page of a PDF file read?

curstpriest · 10-26-2010, 12:15 AM

It can display everything in standard pdfs, like I said, the only issues are sometimes there are clipping issues, you can resolve this by printing it "to pdf" if you have acrobat, you can print to adobe PDF, just input paper size 5.15 x 7.44 inches.

This will also shrink the size of the document and make page turns faster as the kindle doesn't have to scale down each page, or whatever weird things it does.

You do not have to print to image. If you print to PDF, you lose the page numbering system if it is custom (like leading pages with roman numerals, if you have acrobat you can add them back in manually, takes a few seconds to do, just select the pages on right and right click, go page numbers). If you use another software to do the conversion, like nitro PDF or sourceforge it may break down the PDF and merge images incorrectly (not sure). I just know that print to "adobe pdf" that comes with acrobat preserves the pdf 1:1, and elimitates the cropping problem.

Another way to deal with this is to crop the margins, which is faster and gives you more view, like removing the header/footer page numbers and border (you dont need this since the kindle shows page numbers of PDFs anyways) and if it doesn't sync up with the page numbers in the document, you can easily renumber the page numbers with most PDF editing software (such as acrobat) as discussed above.

paperwastage · 10-26-2010, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curstpriest

It can display everything in standard pdfs, like I said, the only issues are sometimes there are clipping issues, you can resolve this by printing it "to pdf" if you have acrobat, you can print to adobe PDF, just input paper size 5.15 x 7.44 inches.

This will also shrink the size of the document and make page turns faster as the kindle doesn't have to scale down each page, or whatever weird things it does.

You do not have to print to image. If you print to PDF, you lose the page numbering system if it is custom (like leading pages with roman numerals, if you have acrobat you can add them back in manually, takes a few seconds to do, just select the pages on right and right click, go page numbers). If you use another software to do the conversion, like nitro PDF or sourceforge it may break down the PDF and merge images incorrectly (not sure). I just know that print to "adobe pdf" that comes with acrobat preserves the pdf 1:1, and elimitates the cropping problem.

Another way to deal with this is to crop the margins, which is faster and gives you more view, like removing the header/footer page numbers and border (you dont need this since the kindle shows page numbers of PDFs anyways) and if it doesn't sync up with the page numbers in the document, you can easily renumber the page numbers with most PDF editing software (such as acrobat) as discussed above.

sometimes, the kindle crops the page for you... sometimes, not

its just that pdfs generally work on the kindle, but dont rely on it too much... slow page turning makes skipping pages hard...

10-22-2010, 11:09 PM	#1
ziegl027 Addict Posts: 264 Karma: 764 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minnesota Device: Sony Touch, Kindle DXG	Kindle DX refurb vs. new DXG? So, the old white DX is available as a refurb for $269. The new DX "graphite" is $379. Other than being a spiffier (IMO) color, is there anything about the new DX that is worth the hundred bucks' difference? I hear the screen is a bit better, but is it THAT much better? Any other significant differences? I'm slightly tempted to order both, then ship one back......

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joblack Wizard Posts: 1,746 Karma: 4382514 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Somewhere on earth Device: Onyx Boox Tab X	Get the new one - the display rocks (it is a lot of better).

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Madam Broshkina Manic Do Fuse Posts: 2,312 Karma: 3325462 Join Date: Oct 2006 Device: Sony 500, 505, 350, Kindle 3, DXG, nook, Irex DR800SG, iPad	If you can afford to spend the extra $110 I say go for the DXG. The screen is better and the chances that they will upgrade the firmware are better with the DXG then with the old DX.

10-23-2010, 06:56 AM	#4
rcuadro Wizard Posts: 1,686 Karma: 874275 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Device: Kindle DX	For $100 i would get the older one. I have both and while the screen is better I dont think it is $100 better. Save your cash for books

10-23-2010, 12:25 PM	#5
curstpriest Confused Posts: 402 Karma: 5538 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: Kindle DXG	the screen on the dx is much better also the graphite case gives you better contrast. get the dxg. 100 isnt that much if you are going to use it a lot. for firmware i assume they will update all k2 and dx at same time not just dxg but it is a guess.

10-23-2010, 12:58 PM	#6
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	This is from an old thread but the DXG is supposed to be upgraded to the same capabilities as the K3. If you can afford the extra $ it is well worth it, IMO.

10-23-2010, 04:54 PM	#7
paperwastage Groupie Posts: 154 Karma: 1310 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: kindle DX Graphite	my friend has the DX refurb, i have the graphite when you compare it side by side, you'll want the graphite. the change is that noticeable if you can afford it, then do it

10-23-2010, 06:20 PM	#8
ziegl027 Addict Posts: 264 Karma: 764 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Minnesota Device: Sony Touch, Kindle DXG	Thanks for all the input! As it stands, I think I'll just be patient a while longer. I really, really, REALLY want full PDF functionality (annotations, etc). If that's going to happen soon, I'd rather it happen BEFORE I buy rather than get it and feel burned if PDF notes never comes along. Does that make any sense at all? I can wait until Christmas, at least . I think. We'll see...... Maybe by then there will be DXG's in the refurb store .

10-23-2010, 08:31 PM	#9
curstpriest Confused Posts: 402 Karma: 5538 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: Kindle DXG	If you really need PDF support.. don't get a kindle.. get an ipad or a hybrid device... Kindle pdf support is lackadaisical at best. even the entourage is better for PDFs if you have the money and don't mind lugging a brick around with you.... + you can take notes and such from what I understand. http://www.entourageedge.com/entourage-edge.html

10-24-2010, 03:31 PM	#11
curstpriest Confused Posts: 402 Karma: 5538 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: Kindle DXG	Unfortunately this is the way it is for now. Just hope amazon decides to update the DX then. Eventually somebody will make a 10 in E-ink single display with a touchscreen that is android based that uses a stylus. I would have bought such a tablet if one existed and had decent PDF support, but none did. The only ones around really were the kindle DX and the entourage.. and the entourage is just too bulky (3lbs vs the DX 1.2), it's e-ink screen is also slightly lower quality, and it only lasts like 8 hours using ereader only (LCD off), the DX lasts like 60.. so yeah. It's also only 8 shades of gray and reflective. But you can watch video, surf the web, and do other stuff, so it's an interesting idea for a student, but still needs more refinement. Perhaps later versions will be smaller and better. One big downfall is that it doesn't have the standard android marketplace (oops?).

10-25-2010, 10:50 PM	#12
zzzxtreme Member Posts: 17 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: nook	the pdf support sucks? what if i open a particular PDF in a PC, then re-print it as images in PDF format (so there'll be no vector graphics). so will the kindle display it nicely? will the kindle remember the last page of a PDF file read?

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10-26-2010, 12:15 AM	#13
curstpriest Confused Posts: 402 Karma: 5538 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: Kindle DXG	It can display everything in standard pdfs, like I said, the only issues are sometimes there are clipping issues, you can resolve this by printing it "to pdf" if you have acrobat, you can print to adobe PDF, just input paper size 5.15 x 7.44 inches. This will also shrink the size of the document and make page turns faster as the kindle doesn't have to scale down each page, or whatever weird things it does. You do not have to print to image. If you print to PDF, you lose the page numbering system if it is custom (like leading pages with roman numerals, if you have acrobat you can add them back in manually, takes a few seconds to do, just select the pages on right and right click, go page numbers). If you use another software to do the conversion, like nitro PDF or sourceforge it may break down the PDF and merge images incorrectly (not sure). I just know that print to "adobe pdf" that comes with acrobat preserves the pdf 1:1, and elimitates the cropping problem. Another way to deal with this is to crop the margins, which is faster and gives you more view, like removing the header/footer page numbers and border (you dont need this since the kindle shows page numbers of PDFs anyways) and if it doesn't sync up with the page numbers in the document, you can easily renumber the page numbers with most PDF editing software (such as acrobat) as discussed above.