05-25-2013, 04:55 AM | #631 | |
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There use to be a hack (in Kobo tweaks) in the developer's forum which did put a progress bar at the bottom, but it no longer works with the firmware versions after March. I have no programming skills whatsoever, but would be very grateful if this could be resurrected. Having said that, the fact that so many people are annoyed and nobody has put the progress bar back makes me think this is actually no longer possible... |
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05-25-2013, 05:06 AM | #632 | ||
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unless im missing something obvious there is a big deal of limitation here By the way, you say I have the option of using the epub, but thats an option quite limited since I dont have reading statistics and then i dont feel im getting the full immersive reading experience that made me buy a kobo glo , im losing something either way. |
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05-25-2013, 08:05 AM | #633 | |
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Since the estimated time isn't important, an epub has also some statistics in Reading life, like the time read (per session or total, not sure) and the number of page turns Right now, the way the page numbers are displayed is how I decide between a kepub and an epub for each book (different books, different needs). |
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05-25-2013, 04:05 PM | #634 |
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05-25-2013, 04:08 PM | #635 | |
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I guess that if i'm reading a novel, maybe I won't mind the navigation within chapter only and not knowing which actual page i'm at. But if i'm reading an academic book like ancient history book on which I will have to go back and forth to study different chapters all at the same time, well, then I would stick to epub. Imagine this scenario, it could happen to me in the classroom, how could I hold a kepub book in front of my students and say: -"Class, please open your books on page 8 of chapter 15, it should start with "Afrodite despised Psique...", it's probably in the middle halfway through the book because my kobo displays 54% read, okay guys"? Haha that would be an awkward situation I don't see how this would be a big deal for Kobo to enhance the reading experience by providing either Reading Statistics on epubs or proper page orientation on kepubs |
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05-25-2013, 04:46 PM | #636 | |
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05-25-2013, 09:27 PM | #637 | |
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Of course It is just an example, maybe an exaggerated one, but I'm just pointing out how even the best workaround logical alternatives you can come up with will not be real solutions. And the solution is so simple, if only the header or low bar displayed the real number of pages x/y. |
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05-26-2013, 11:12 AM | #638 | |
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Ebooks are far from being really useable for academic purposes. There are no "real" numbers of pages, only estimations. And sometimes page 145 means two page turns into page 145 - but only at a certain font size. If you need to quote something or have other people follow back and forth in chapters, printed books are still best. Or PDF, maybe, but those are currently not very useable on E-Ink readers. |
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05-26-2013, 06:05 PM | #639 | |
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But as usual the answer to this, and many other complaints about Kobo's, is "options"! Allow the user to decide for themselves what they want to see by making it an option in the Settings. Then everyone is happy! |
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05-26-2013, 11:20 PM | #640 | |
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I think a large part of the reason Kobo doesn't calculate the full book page number for kepubs is so they don't have to render the complete book. For epubs, the total page is calculated from the size of the compressed files inside the epub. The file size is divided by 1024 and that is the number of pages in the chapter. The renderer then simply divides the displayed text into that number of pages. That can give wildly different page lengths depending on how well the text compressed and also how much code there is in the file. This also ignores the font and other settings used. For kepubs, the page numbers are calculated for the chapter at the current font and reader settings. Change those and the pages have to be rendered again and the page numbers recalculate. If this was done for a long book, it could take a lot of time. Plus you run into memory and other issues. And storing this won't help as it is dependent on the font, the size, the margins and line spacing. |
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05-27-2013, 04:40 AM | #641 | |
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Well, Kobo seems to offer this option with the real page number displayed on the top right of the page. Maybe I misunderstood that. And if I'm not wrong, depending on the paper book edition, the page number can change a lot. |
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05-27-2013, 05:02 AM | #642 |
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I put my hope in the pagebreak property of Epub 3.0. For the time being the kepub renderer seems not yet to support it. I don't know whether the epub renderer supports page-map. I have never seen a book that uses it.
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05-27-2013, 07:20 AM | #643 | |
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And of course page numbers can change with editions, but if you (e.g.) need to quote something, you can always name the edition of the book you were using. |
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05-27-2013, 09:17 AM | #644 |
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The page number in the margin is only for epubs, and is the same as the page number at the bottom of the screen. It is calculated using the same rules and indicates where the page starts. The page number at the bottom of the screen is for the page the first character on the screen is on. Depending on the font size, you can have multiple pages on one screen, or take several screens for one page.
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05-27-2013, 09:36 AM | #645 | |
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