07-02-2009, 08:30 PM | #16 |
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Are people really arguing about this?
Some guy uploaded darknet version of a popular book to the Kindle store. Amazon finds out about it, pulls the book and issues a refund to everybody who bought it. People complain that Amazon pulled the book and that they deserve to keep it? Or even stranger think that they deserve a free paper copy for their inconvenience? It's not big brother to have a feature that can delete a file that you purchased from them that wasn't authorized (like what currently happened) or you didn't pay for (like that guy who complained that the files he had delivered with an expired credit card were removed). They aren't reading what you have on your Kindle and deleting various warez you have on your reader. If you really want to read these books so bad and you don't care about Ayn Rand getting any money, just pirate them. - edit And it's funny how most of the people who are getting their panties in a bunch don't own Kindles. PRS-505 owners going "glad I don't have whispernet now" Last edited by Sporadic; 07-02-2009 at 08:35 PM. |
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And I don't see what the ownership of a certain brand of reader has to do with anything. I used to own a Kindle, now I don't. That shouldn't mean I'm not entitled to voice my opinion on any thread. |
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07-02-2009, 10:06 PM | #18 |
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Whether Amazon should or shouldn't rectify this situation in the manner it did - wouldn't they be in for a big, fat lawsuit if they did not? Aren't publishing & disribution laws some of the most strident of all?
BTW, this isn't an opinion - just asking about the legal ramifications. |
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Sort of electronic "breaking & entering" - as if police broke down your door to remove an item that was stolen, that you had bought in good faith at a reputable store - without asking your permission to enter your premises. |
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07-02-2009, 10:22 PM | #20 | |
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07-02-2009, 10:25 PM | #21 |
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It is super creepy-ish, that they can just delete it. But I wouldn't be too angry, as long as I got a refund.
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07-02-2009, 10:31 PM | #23 |
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Someone would have to file suit before there were legal ramifications. Generally a "cease and desist" letter is all that happens. And with a c&d there are no penalties (generally speaking, of course there are exceptions)
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07-02-2009, 11:12 PM | #24 |
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Whoo, Ayn Rand! Remember kids, always strip the DRM from your files and back them up on your computer! Now you know and knowing if half the battle.
Does anyone know how Amazon identifies the files on your Kindle? Is there something in the DRM that identifies it for Amazon? Or will they only pull DRMed files? It shouldn't be the metadata because someone could have a book listed at Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and it might just be a document the reader made from online SparkNotes or something. |
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Still, I think a good solution here would be better screening for the self-publishing submissions. It would be hard to catch absolutely everything amiss but I bet you could catch the vast majority with automation. If they search on the author or title and find them in their print catalog, that's a big tip off right there. There are certainly more intensive things they could do that would cast a wider net, but that's some low hanging fruit. |
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However, if you purchase it through the Kindle Store, you have not purchased tangible property, you are licensing content. "Provision of content" is a service, not a tangible good. As far as I can tell, they are within their rights to revoke that license. Since there aren't thousands of complaints about deleted Harry Potter books (and, it seems, Amazon isn't even aware of books on your Kindle unless you receive them via the Kindle Store), I believe Amazon will only police their own licensed content. Quote:
It's more like the cable company turning off specific signals if they figure out that you're receiving channels you haven't paid for. Or, Blizzard removing a virtual weapon from your World of Warcraft player because the admins realized it's too powerful. Or, like having a Rhapsody subscription, filling your portable music player with subscription content, and then losing access to that content when you cancel the subscription. Quote:
Again, distaste for the approach is reasonable, and I think Amazon would be wise to make this more explicit in the TOS. If you don't like it, though, don't buy a Kindle -- or any other device that has an integrated store, including the iPhone (as Apple can remotely disable apps). There is, and will be for the foreseeable future, plenty of alternatives. |
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07-02-2009, 11:25 PM | #27 |
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I find it stupid. the money was returned, if the persion then wants a hard copy to replace it they have the option of going to buy it.
people are nuts and that person is an absolute lunatic. Ombudsman? are you kidding me? anyway. its digital content and the money was returned. open and close case. if you don't like it turn wispernet off, and only use the online interface. and remove the DRM from your books. |
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07-02-2009, 11:58 PM | #29 |
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I think the only concerning matter is what if, in the future, amazon loses the rights to a book, what happens to everybody that bought it?
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