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Old 10-14-2010, 07:00 PM   #16
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But if she doesn't have her ereader, what will she use? Or are you assuming that everybody should have multiple ereaders?
Well, you and your mom could trade ereaders for the week. Likewise, if each kid had a reader, they could just use whichever had the book they want to read at that moment. Of course, you're taking a chance on your reader getting lost or broken, but that was always true with loaning books.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:20 PM   #17
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But if she doesn't have her ereader, what will she use? Or are you assuming that everybody should have multiple ereaders?
I'm assuming the person who borrows has one and they switch. If not, then she's out of luck.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:21 PM   #18
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Should I think about having an ereader for guests in the near future!
Not a bad idea... given how quirky people are with their own devices
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Old 10-14-2010, 08:49 PM   #19
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Amazon Kindle supports multiple readers with one account; so does Adobe ADE. There is nothing wrong with owning two Kindles and loaning one out and having the the same titles on each. There's nothing wrong with owning two Kobos and loading each up with ADE ePubs and loaning one out.

You don't need to go through hoops or break any laws or void and contracts with the vendors.

Piracy with the masses begins not so much a desire to act out bad behaviour as it does either a) rebelling against stupid policies b) creating a larger supply of a scarce resource.

To handle a) - Publishers need to ensure they are delivering value across the creation/consumption chain to all parties feed it -- with content and with purchase dollars.

To handle b) - Publishers simply have to make their backlists available at reasonable prices and piracy of those titles will dwindle.

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Old 10-14-2010, 09:58 PM   #20
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Yeah, the tipping point where piracy makes an impression on the minds of the big publishers is just months away, IMO. I don't know how long it'll take them to realize that the best defense is easily available ebooks at reasonable prices, concurrent with the printed version.
This might shock you, but they already understand that, but they're dead set on absolutely NOT allowing that in any way. It's the same thing that the music industry went through in the beginning, and sadly enough, the publishing industry will be forced to suffer through the same things as well, because despite all the lessons learned by the industries that are or have already gone through these transitions, they will not make the changes they need to adapt to the changing market until absolutely forced to, instead choosing legal means by which to stall the market until the absolute last minute, and then manage the changeover in their favor when it finally happens. Overall it's a managed market shift disguised as a impending disaster.
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Old 10-14-2010, 09:59 PM   #21
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Remove anachronistic distribution models that include geographic restrictions and those ebook purchasers who want to buy a chosen title but cannot will not have to turn to piracy in order to find the book that they would be quite happy to pay for.

A classic example of publisher stupidity is that GR can occur on several books of a series but all of them. This means that a purchaser can only buy part of the series with no indication the other books in the series are restricted to buy because they live in the wrong part of the world. There is usually no option but find another method to get those ebooks. Workarounds to GR do not often work.

What can be more ridiculous than a local author having their ebooks unavailable to those who also reside in the same country?
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Old 10-15-2010, 02:04 AM   #22
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Possibly not being able to buy a book by your mum, or your brother?
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:17 AM   #23
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What can be more ridiculous than a local author having their ebooks unavailable to those who also reside in the same country?
But that is the author's own fault - nobody else's. He or she is the one who chooses to sign the restrictive distribution contract with the publisher. You can't blame the publisher for only being granted rights to sell the book in a restricted territory.
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:23 AM   #24
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You are quoting me out of context Harry. My first paragraph comments about the need for publishers to change anachronistic distribution models and that directly relates to restrictive contracts (with GR) offered to authors.
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Yeah, the tipping point where piracy makes an impression on the minds of the big publishers is just months away, IMO. I don't know how long it'll take them to realize that the best defense is easily available ebooks at reasonable prices, concurrent with the printed version.
And the ebooks also need to be properly formatted and proof read.

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Old 10-15-2010, 05:13 AM   #26
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But you can. All you have to do is go over to your mother's house and borrow her ereader (loaded with the book you want). When you're done, you return it; just like a DTB.
This is like saying there can be only one book open in a house at any given time even though you have five thousand of them in your library. So this doesn't make sense to me. If I bought two e-books, my family member or friend should be able to read one while I'm reading the other one. This is just common sense.

The book industry tend to treat the e-books just as p-books when they like it and they consider them different if they don't like it.
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I sure as heck wouldn't. If I pay ANYTHING for a book, I expect full privileges, permanently. Otherwise, I'll just hit my friendly, neighborhood used bookstore, buy the book there, chop off the spine and scan it.
Me neither. Why would I pay for a book that will be taken away, when I can take it out of the library / download it from my library for free? I have always been a big library user.
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Old 10-15-2010, 08:02 AM   #28
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True.
But not all countries are as protectionist as Western Europe or the current US administration.
Plus, there is a big difference between what the law says and the culture does. No bigger example than the Napster years of digital music. The law and the governments were all on the side of the studios; the teenagers were are on the Napster side.
We all saw how that ended up, no?
Yes. mp3 piracy created a demand for dedicated hardware mp3 players, which made those players a lot cheaper to buy, which created a demand for legitimate mp3 sales, which lead to a massive increase in music industry profits.

Why wouldn't the book publishers want to follow the same route?
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Old 10-15-2010, 08:16 AM   #29
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This might shock you, but they already understand that, but they're dead set on absolutely NOT allowing that in any way.
A moot point because it is already happening, no?
It may not yet be massive but the mechanisms (the torrent sites Google spits out) and the incentives (Price Fixing, georestrictions, blood-from-a-stone pricing) are already in place.
What the article is claiming is that the dominoes have already started falling.

Being dead set on absolutely NOT allowing something that's already happening sounds very much like being totally out of touch with reality.
At this point their only real-world options are to *minimize* the damage, not "prevent" it. And the only realistic way to do this is to reduce the incentives to piracy, 'cause the mechanisms aren't going away.

Just as the music industry belatedly realize that the single biggest driver of piracy was the inability of consumers to actually *buy* the content they wanted on reasonable terms, the BPHs need to understand that, regardless of what they *think* they're doing, what they are *actually* doing is driving paying customers away with their current policies/practices.

It is no secret that the lack of consistency, the arbitrary and often irrational distribution terms and conditions are the biggest irritant to legal buyers. For all the griping from pundits and enthusiasts, consumers by and large don't mind current DRM regimes. They *do* mind not being able to legally get an ebook on reasonable terms; they do mind the whining/whinging, they do mind the double talk about print costs, and they do mind feeling like a fool for having a sense of ethics and paying for something they could easily get for free.

That is what Napsterization is about; when paying customers get tired of being jerked around. It's about irritation out-weighing ethics.

Since ebooks customers are not really much like top-40 singles, it is not inevitable that ebooks will follow music into an age of routine piracy. It is not inevitable but neither is it unlikely. On the contrary, with each passing day that the current irritants stay in place it becomes more and more likely. In fact, even if the BPHs "saw the light" and becamed instant converts, there isn't much they can do to prevent a holiday run to the torrents.

They need to wake up and realize *they* are no longer in power.
Consumers are.
Money talks. Books *are* a commodity.
And it's no longer the 19th century out there.
If they think they can "manage" the transition by ignoring 50 years of consumerism and a decade of internet lore they must be living in Wonderland.
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This is like saying there can be only one book open in a house at any given time even though you have five thousand of them in your library. So this doesn't make sense to me.
No it's not. You're free to open as many as you have.
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