C. J. Cherryh has a new blog - Page 2

JSWolf · 04-23-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

I'll try to get around to mentioning it on her blog tomorrow. The beauty of the idea is it would be author to author negotiations and agreements. Joint advertizing...

And only one site needed to sell eBooks.

slayda · 04-23-2009, 10:04 PM

Maybe this is an opportunity for some enterprising IT/business type person. (I.e. someone smarter than me.)

geoffthomas · 04-24-2009, 07:27 AM

You know that if Amazon would drop DRM, we would have what everyone is looking for.

pdurrant · 04-24-2009, 09:18 AM

Except that Amazon take 65% of retail for ebooks.

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Originally Posted by geoffthomas

You know that if Amazon would drop DRM, we would have what everyone is looking for.

JSWolf · 04-24-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffthomas

You know that if Amazon would drop DRM, we would have what everyone is looking for.

If Amazon was to drop DRM, then maybe we could get a better method of accepting eBooks. I've been noticing some Amazon eBook specific errors such as Turn Coat that not even the Mobipocket edition has.

sirbruce · 04-24-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffthomas

You know that if Amazon would drop DRM, we would have what everyone is looking for.

Amazon does drop the DRM. If you upload a non-DRM MOBI, you get a non-DRM AZW.

If I were Cherryh and the others I would seriously consider uploading to Amazon. Yes, you lose 2/3 of your revenue. But would you get 3 times the sales from people searching Amazon and finding their books? That's the dilemma.

wayspooled · 04-24-2009, 11:08 AM

I have a question then. Wouldn't Amazon want exclusive rights to distribute them and therefore they would be limited only to the Kindle reader?

wallcraft · 04-24-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wayspooled

Wouldn't Amazon want exclusive rights to distribute them and therefore they would be limited only to the Kindle reader?

Amazon wants non-exclusive, but world-wide, rights - from Terms & Conditions:

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You hereby grant to us, throughout the term of this Agreement, a nonexclusive, irrevocable, worldwide right and license to distribute Digital Books

This is a problem if you later want to sell exclusive rights, obviously. It is interesting that these are world-wide rights, because the current Kindle is very definitely a US-only rights device. It means that they will be able to sell DTP Kindle ebooks immediately when they make the Kindle available in other markets.

Xenophon · 04-24-2009, 12:25 PM

I note that Baen/Webscriptions also wants non-exclusive world-wide rights. They also have a good reputation for fair dealing, no DRM, a built-in significant base of SF/Fantasy buyers as clients, and have shown themselves to be very friendly to digital re-issues. I'm more than a bit surprised that Cherryh and friends haven't shopped their books there, as well.

In fact, Amazon/Kindle, Baen/Webscriptions and their own site (all at once, and perhaps with Fictionwise tossed in too) would make a ton of sense. With non-exclusive world-wide rights for each of the above.

Anyone know her/them well enough to suggest it?

Xenophon

wallcraft · 04-24-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Xenophon

In fact, Amazon/Kindle, Baen/Webscriptions and their own site (all at once, and perhaps with Fictionwise tossed in too) would make a ton of sense. With non-exclusive world-wide rights for each of the above.

Except that Amazon's royalty is 35% of "Suggested Retail Price", which has to be consistent with that at other retailers and wholesalers. I don't think this precludes a lower price on the authors own web site but it might at Baen. I really have no idea if a SF author would get more sales (or more royalties overall) from Webscriptions than from the Kindle Store. A much larger fraction of the webscriptions audience would see and buy the ebooks, but there are a ton of Kindles out there.

sirbruce · 04-24-2009, 01:00 PM

Since it's non-exclusive, nothing prevents them from selling them in other stores. But the problem is, you're competing with yourself; you're basically letting people who aren't "in the know" to buy them mass market at Amazon and only get 35%, but you expect your fans to use your own website or Baen to buy the books from you at full price. I guess you could offer your ebooks at 50% off on your store; then you'd undercut Amazon's price, but still make more yourself for people who want to come to your site and support you directly.

Xenophon · 04-24-2009, 01:05 PM

I don't know about Amazon's ToS. But Baen/Webscriptions places no restrictions on the price charged at other outlets (TTBoMK). Usually, that has wound up leaving Baen as the least expensive source; with authors selling their own works, they might choose to undercut Baen. Which would be just fine.

Xenophon

nekokami · 04-24-2009, 03:45 PM

C. J. Cherryh has a book on Webscriptions already (Paladin), as well as a story in an anthology, so I think she knows about it. Those seem to be the only two books she published with Baen in paper. Are they taking books from individual authors at this time, or only trying to work with other publishers?

Xenophon · 04-24-2009, 04:17 PM

They've done bunches of e-Only re-issues of books from individual authors. For example their Edmond Hamilton and Leigh Brackett re-issues. Or the complete A Bertram Chandler re-issue.

I don't know how they are selecting, or any details of the deals. But it would seem worth-while for Cherryh and friends to check it out.

Xenophon

Phogg · 04-26-2009, 09:34 PM

I'm really glad to read this thread.

While I haven't found nearly all of her books to be my cup of tea, I have bought a lot of them over the years to support the local girl. And I do have very fond memories of her filk singing at cons

The Paladin is a favorite and I did find and buy a .pdb copy which I converted to mobi. If she has a better proof read version for sale in epub, I will get that and the Morgaine novels.

/bounces around happily.

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04-23-2009, 10:04 PM	#17
slayda Retired & reading more! Posts: 2,764 Karma: 1884247 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Alabama, USA Device: Kindle 1, iPad Air 2, iPhone 6S+, Kobo Aura One	Maybe this is an opportunity for some enterprising IT/business type person. (I.e. someone smarter than me.)

04-24-2009, 07:27 AM	#18
geoffthomas geoffthomas Posts: 8 Karma: 36 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maryland Device: Kindle2	You know that if Amazon would drop DRM, we would have what everyone is looking for.

04-24-2009, 11:08 AM	#22
wayspooled Crab In The Dark Posts: 486 Karma: 2328180 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Device: Tablet PC until a 10" comes out that I like	I have a question then. Wouldn't Amazon want exclusive rights to distribute them and therefore they would be limited only to the Kindle reader?

04-24-2009, 12:25 PM	#24
Xenophon curmudgeon Posts: 1,481 Karma: 5748190 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Redwood City, CA USA Device: Kobo Aura HD, (ex)nook, (ex)PRS-700, (ex)PRS-500	I note that Baen/Webscriptions also wants non-exclusive world-wide rights. They also have a good reputation for fair dealing, no DRM, a built-in significant base of SF/Fantasy buyers as clients, and have shown themselves to be very friendly to digital re-issues. I'm more than a bit surprised that Cherryh and friends haven't shopped their books there, as well. In fact, Amazon/Kindle, Baen/Webscriptions and their own site (all at once, and perhaps with Fictionwise tossed in too) would make a ton of sense. With non-exclusive world-wide rights for each of the above. Anyone know her/them well enough to suggest it? Xenophon

04-24-2009, 01:00 PM	#26
sirbruce Provocateur Posts: 1,859 Karma: 505847 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Device: Kindle Touch, Kindle 2, Kindle DX, iPhone 3GS	Since it's non-exclusive, nothing prevents them from selling them in other stores. But the problem is, you're competing with yourself; you're basically letting people who aren't "in the know" to buy them mass market at Amazon and only get 35%, but you expect your fans to use your own website or Baen to buy the books from you at full price. I guess you could offer your ebooks at 50% off on your store; then you'd undercut Amazon's price, but still make more yourself for people who want to come to your site and support you directly.

04-24-2009, 01:05 PM	#27
Xenophon curmudgeon Posts: 1,481 Karma: 5748190 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Redwood City, CA USA Device: Kobo Aura HD, (ex)nook, (ex)PRS-700, (ex)PRS-500	I don't know about Amazon's ToS. But Baen/Webscriptions places no restrictions on the price charged at other outlets (TTBoMK). Usually, that has wound up leaving Baen as the least expensive source; with authors selling their own works, they might choose to undercut Baen. Which would be just fine. Xenophon

04-24-2009, 03:45 PM	#28
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	C. J. Cherryh has a book on Webscriptions already (Paladin), as well as a story in an anthology, so I think she knows about it. Those seem to be the only two books she published with Baen in paper. Are they taking books from individual authors at this time, or only trying to work with other publishers?

04-24-2009, 04:17 PM	#29
Xenophon curmudgeon Posts: 1,481 Karma: 5748190 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Redwood City, CA USA Device: Kobo Aura HD, (ex)nook, (ex)PRS-700, (ex)PRS-500	They've done bunches of e-Only re-issues of books from individual authors. For example their Edmond Hamilton and Leigh Brackett re-issues. Or the complete A Bertram Chandler re-issue. I don't know how they are selecting, or any details of the deals. But it would seem worth-while for Cherryh and friends to check it out. Xenophon

04-26-2009, 09:34 PM	#30
Phogg PHD in Horribleness Posts: 2,320 Karma: 23599604 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the ironbound section, near avenue L Device: Just a whole bunch. I guess I am a collector now.	I'm really glad to read this thread. While I haven't found nearly all of her books to be my cup of tea, I have bought a lot of them over the years to support the local girl. And I do have very fond memories of her filk singing at cons The Paladin is a favorite and I did find and buy a .pdb copy which I converted to mobi. If she has a better proof read version for sale in epub, I will get that and the Morgaine novels. /bounces around happily.