Kindle users give 1 star rating to book with delayed ebook release - Page 3

Blue Tyson · 01-15-2010, 11:32 PM

No it doesn't. You are assuming the people interested in doing it or those that are more inclined to do what you suggest buy their stuff at Amazon and will bother.

Lots of the top reviewers get free books - so all those would go away, for one thing.

amberdel · 01-16-2010, 12:03 AM

Good job I say! As a kindle owner, it baffles me sometimes how publishers release books.

DawnFalcon · 01-16-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Then it means they'd get more valid reviews/ratings instead of invalid reviews/ratings.

Again, the reviews mentioned are perfectly valid. Refuse to sell me something and it is then inherently worth the lowest review score. Don't like it? Sell me the item.

Blue Tyson · 01-16-2010, 03:19 AM

That is correct, a product you can't get is useless, so should get the lowest score.

In fact, close to filling up a whole Amazon list of such.

Books Never To Be Bought Because Of Georestrictions or Ebook Delays

Blue Tyson · 01-16-2010, 03:41 AM

Actually going to need a second list!

astra · 01-16-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by basschick

the problem is that by doing that, the protesters are also harming the author.

Then authors should find better publishers?

Blue Tyson · 01-16-2010, 08:13 AM

Plus the author signs the contract as well. Or contracts. So they should wear it, too.

RobbieClarken · 01-16-2010, 09:47 AM

I sympathise with the desire to punish authors/publishers for these silly restrictions but what of Amazon customers who use the rating system to help them determine which books to read. If I browse through my recommendation list and see a two star rated book (with many reviews) I assume the book is bad, not that customers are disgruntled by the publisher's behaviour.

We should also remember that these reviews are permanent and after the Kindle version is released, they will drag the book's rating down for a very long time.

I think it does a disservice to fellow readers to be misusing the system in this way.

Blue Tyson · 01-16-2010, 10:12 AM

Very simple. Go read librarything instead. Or goodreads. Or both. Or even somewhere else.

The reviews are not permanent, you can delete them whenever you want.

When fellow readers don't care about our problems, why should we care about theirs? They aren't paying us, after all.

Hardly of the same magnitude, are they? 'Can't get book at all' versus maybe checking somewhere else for info. Amazon is full of shills and sockpuppets etc. and political or religious axegrinders anyway, so why would you believe anything you see there at first glance, to start with?

You have quite a few misapprehensions it seems - after it is released? After it is released *where*? - and to take an example of say, Tor, the likelihood of their being one at all is pretty low. If there is one, the likelihood of non-yanks being able to buy it is basically zero.

Rob G. · 01-16-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieClarken

I think it does a disservice to fellow readers to be misusing the system in this way.

I don't think it's misusing the system though. There's nothing in Amazon's rules that would lead me to think these reviews aren't allowed. Furthermore, I don't feel any particular responsibility to fellow readers via Amazon's reviews. If they wish to pay me per review, then maybe I would. Also, the review police are voting the "real" reviews up, so anyone who actually clicks through to read the reviews and ignores the star ratings will get a "real" review. If someone bases a purchase exclusively off a star rating system that anyone with a login can vote on, then there's really no help for them anyway.

kjk · 01-16-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob G.

If someone bases a purchase exclusively off a star rating system that anyone with a login can vote on, then there's really no help for them anyway.

so true.

Penforhire · 01-16-2010, 01:31 PM

I never just use the star system. There are plenty of reviews for "stuff" showing 1 star because of a late shipment or other reason. You have to read the reviews. This is no different.

spideog · 01-16-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieClarken

I sympathise with the desire to punish authors/publishers for these silly restrictions but what of Amazon customers who use the rating system to help them determine which books to read. If I browse through my recommendation list and see a two star rated book (with many reviews) I assume the book is bad, not that customers are disgruntled by the publisher's behaviour.

We should also remember that these reviews are permanent and after the Kindle version is released, they will drag the book's rating down for a very long time.

I think it does a disservice to fellow readers to be misusing the system in this way.

That is the whole point of the exercise. Hurt the publishers for the way they are treating customers, or that should be potential customers. In addition to not being able to buy the product themselves, via the rating system it is possible to have an effect, however small, on other peoples potential purchases.

And the line about there being no such thing as bad publicity is not true.

JSWolf · 01-16-2010, 06:56 PM

If you think using the reviews for things other then valid reviews is a good idea, then think again. It's wrong to give a book 1 star and/or a bad review just because you don't live in the US and cannot buy it.

spideog · 01-16-2010, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you think using the reviews for things other then valid reviews is a good idea, then think again. It's wrong to give a book 1 star and/or a bad review just because you don't live in the US and cannot buy it.

It's got nothing to do with regional restrictions in this case of 1 star reviewing. See the quote in the 1st post

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01-15-2010, 11:32 PM	#31
Blue Tyson Blue Captain Posts: 1,595 Karma: 5000236 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini	No it doesn't. You are assuming the people interested in doing it or those that are more inclined to do what you suggest buy their stuff at Amazon and will bother. Lots of the top reviewers get free books - so all those would go away, for one thing.

01-16-2010, 12:03 AM	#32
amberdel Member Posts: 11 Karma: 54 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: kindle	Good job I say! As a kindle owner, it baffles me sometimes how publishers release books.

01-16-2010, 03:19 AM	#34
Blue Tyson Blue Captain Posts: 1,595 Karma: 5000236 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini	That is correct, a product you can't get is useless, so should get the lowest score. In fact, close to filling up a whole Amazon list of such. Books Never To Be Bought Because Of Georestrictions or Ebook Delays

01-16-2010, 03:41 AM	#35
Blue Tyson Blue Captain Posts: 1,595 Karma: 5000236 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini	Actually going to need a second list!

01-16-2010, 08:13 AM	#37
Blue Tyson Blue Captain Posts: 1,595 Karma: 5000236 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini	Plus the author signs the contract as well. Or contracts. So they should wear it, too.

01-16-2010, 09:47 AM	#38
RobbieClarken Addict Posts: 371 Karma: 1002274 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Australia Device: Kindle	I sympathise with the desire to punish authors/publishers for these silly restrictions but what of Amazon customers who use the rating system to help them determine which books to read. If I browse through my recommendation list and see a two star rated book (with many reviews) I assume the book is bad, not that customers are disgruntled by the publisher's behaviour. We should also remember that these reviews are permanent and after the Kindle version is released, they will drag the book's rating down for a very long time. I think it does a disservice to fellow readers to be misusing the system in this way.

01-16-2010, 10:12 AM	#39
Blue Tyson Blue Captain Posts: 1,595 Karma: 5000236 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini	Very simple. Go read librarything instead. Or goodreads. Or both. Or even somewhere else. The reviews are not permanent, you can delete them whenever you want. When fellow readers don't care about our problems, why should we care about theirs? They aren't paying us, after all. Hardly of the same magnitude, are they? 'Can't get book at all' versus maybe checking somewhere else for info. Amazon is full of shills and sockpuppets etc. and political or religious axegrinders anyway, so why would you believe anything you see there at first glance, to start with? You have quite a few misapprehensions it seems - after it is released? After it is released where? - and to take an example of say, Tor, the likelihood of their being one at all is pretty low. If there is one, the likelihood of non-yanks being able to buy it is basically zero.

01-16-2010, 01:31 PM	#42
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	I never just use the star system. There are plenty of reviews for "stuff" showing 1 star because of a late shipment or other reason. You have to read the reviews. This is no different.

01-16-2010, 06:56 PM	#44
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,897 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	If you think using the reviews for things other then valid reviews is a good idea, then think again. It's wrong to give a book 1 star and/or a bad review just because you don't live in the US and cannot buy it.

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