NAEB/Baen sells Cybook OEM device for US$375 - Page 9

Demented · 11-26-2007, 06:43 PM

I'll do your payment gateway integration for a free Cybook:P P.S. I assume you plan on doing a decent volume of CC purchases and for amounts in excess of 200k per month it takes like 3-5 days to get merchant account approval.

HarryT · 11-28-2007, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

I agree, and I suggest the following answer:

Secure AZW files are locked to a single Kindle. They are not readable on any device except the Kindle.

This is not entirely correct. Kindle books can be shared among up to 6 different Kindles.

wallcraft · 11-28-2007, 09:52 AM

I think it is correct that AZW files are locked to a single Kindle, but I agree that Kindles can share an account and therefore share e-books. This is a significantly different kind of sharing that the "any 4 PIDs" approach that MobiPocket takes, but it might be a preferred by parents who want to monitor what their kids read (for example).

In any case, I have removed the "single Kindle" reference in the original post.

Nate the great · 11-28-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallcraft

I think it is correct that AZW files are locked to a single Kindle, but I agree that Kindles can share an account and therefore share e-books. This is a significantly different kind of sharing that the "any 4 PIDs" approach that MobiPocket takes, but it might be a preferred by parents who want to monitor what their kids read (for example).

In any case, I have removed the "single Kindle" reference in the original post.

I am pretty sure that you're wrong on this. I can download a file to my laptop. I know that I can make multiple copies of that file on CDs, flash drives, etc. What would stop me from making a copy on several SD cards and sticking one in each of several Kindles registered on an account?

I don't actually have several Kindles, but this makes sense to me because it is basically the same procedure as Mobipocket.

nekokami · 11-28-2007, 10:21 AM

I wonder what happens if you disassociate a Kindle from an Amazon Kindle account? Do the books on that account stop working on that Kindle?

DaleDe · 11-28-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

I wonder what happens if you disassociate a Kindle from an Amazon Kindle account? Do the books on that account stop working on that Kindle?

The books will not download any longer for that machine but books already on that machine are likely to continue to work fine.

Dale

wallcraft · 11-28-2007, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate the great

What would stop me from making a copy on several SD cards and sticking one in each of several Kindles registered on an account?

The PID of the device is needed to decrypt the file. So with a Secure MOBI or Secure AZW file, you can make as many copies as you like but they will only run on devices with the same PID, or PIDs, the file was encrypted for. Amazon could produce one AZW file for all Kindle's on an account, but the direct connection between the Kindle and Amazon's servers make it more likely they regenerate the file on request for the Kindle that is making the request to the server (after checking it is authorized). The other reason I think they have single-PID files is the 6 device limit. So far as I know, the MobiPocket limit is 4 (or less). However, it is certainly possible that the MobiPocket format supports 6 devices, but MobiPocket sets a maximum of 4 for non-technical reasons (e.g. licencing issues).

Now we need to find someone with multiple Kindles on one account to find out for sure.

nekokami · 11-28-2007, 01:12 PM

Hm. That would seem to indicate that the PIDs associated with an Amazon account are all encrypted into the file on download. So they're using a modification of Mobi that allows multiple PIDs per file.

How does that work with regular Mobipocket books? If you download a version to read on your PC, but then you add another device, do you have to download again to get a version with both the PC and the new device in the PID part of the file?

wallcraft · 11-28-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekokami

How does that work with regular Mobipocket books? If you download a version to read on your PC, but then you add another device, do you have to download again to get a version with both the PC and the new device in the PID part of the file?

Yes. The Windows MobiPocket Reader might do the download for you automatically in some cases, but in others you have to explicitly download it again.

nekokami · 11-28-2007, 01:41 PM

So when you download a Mobipocket file, if you have two (or more) devices registered to the same account, does the same file work on all the registered devices? Or do you have to download it separately for each device?

wallcraft · 11-28-2007, 01:54 PM

The same file works on up to 4 devices (4 PIDs). You can also delete PIDs and the old files still work on the deleted PIDs, but the re-downloaded files won't.

nekokami · 11-28-2007, 01:59 PM

Oh, ok. I thought I remembered someone in one of the Kindle threads suggesting that storing multiple PIDs in one DRM'd file was new with the Kindle, vs. the regular Mobipocket format, so I thought that might have been the justification for why they fiddled with the format. But I guess it's just a monopoly strategy after all.

Demented · 11-29-2007, 05:11 PM

Any update for us?

dcalder · 12-02-2007, 07:52 PM

When will the readers actually be available for purchase, shipment, and delivery? I've been holding off on ordering a Cybook in order to get one of these but I'd really like to get it before Christmas. If the NAEB readers aren't ready very soon, I'll probably give in and order from Bookeen before their shipping dates shift any later.

AnemicOak · 12-02-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dcalder

When will the readers actually be available for purchase, shipment, and delivery? I've been holding off on ordering a Cybook in order to get one of these but I'd really like to get it before Christmas. If the NAEB readers aren't ready very soon, I'll probably give in and order from Bookeen before their shipping dates shift any later.

I believe Derek already said they wouldn't have them for Christmas. So you'll probably need to go direct.

12-02-2007, 07:52 PM	#134
dcalder Zealot Posts: 127 Karma: 9856 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Device: Sony PRS-300/Kindle Keyboard/iPad Mini	When? When will the readers actually be available for purchase, shipment, and delivery? I've been holding off on ordering a Cybook in order to get one of these but I'd really like to get it before Christmas. If the NAEB readers aren't ready very soon, I'll probably give in and order from Bookeen before their shipping dates shift any later.

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11-26-2007, 06:43 PM	#121
Demented Connoisseur Posts: 66 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Baton Rouge Device: DR800SG, Nook, Cybook Original	I'll do your payment gateway integration for a free Cybook:P P.S. I assume you plan on doing a decent volume of CC purchases and for amounts in excess of 200k per month it takes like 3-5 days to get merchant account approval.

11-28-2007, 09:52 AM	#123
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	I think it is correct that AZW files are locked to a single Kindle, but I agree that Kindles can share an account and therefore share e-books. This is a significantly different kind of sharing that the "any 4 PIDs" approach that MobiPocket takes, but it might be a preferred by parents who want to monitor what their kids read (for example). In any case, I have removed the "single Kindle" reference in the original post.

11-28-2007, 10:21 AM	#125
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	I wonder what happens if you disassociate a Kindle from an Amazon Kindle account? Do the books on that account stop working on that Kindle?

11-28-2007, 01:12 PM	#128
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Hm. That would seem to indicate that the PIDs associated with an Amazon account are all encrypted into the file on download. So they're using a modification of Mobi that allows multiple PIDs per file. How does that work with regular Mobipocket books? If you download a version to read on your PC, but then you add another device, do you have to download again to get a version with both the PC and the new device in the PID part of the file?

11-28-2007, 01:41 PM	#130
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	So when you download a Mobipocket file, if you have two (or more) devices registered to the same account, does the same file work on all the registered devices? Or do you have to download it separately for each device?

11-28-2007, 01:54 PM	#131
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	The same file works on up to 4 devices (4 PIDs). You can also delete PIDs and the old files still work on the deleted PIDs, but the re-downloaded files won't.

11-28-2007, 01:59 PM	#132
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Oh, ok. I thought I remembered someone in one of the Kindle threads suggesting that storing multiple PIDs in one DRM'd file was new with the Kindle, vs. the regular Mobipocket format, so I thought that might have been the justification for why they fiddled with the format. But I guess it's just a monopoly strategy after all.

11-29-2007, 05:11 PM	#133
Demented Connoisseur Posts: 66 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Baton Rouge Device: DR800SG, Nook, Cybook Original	Any update for us?

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