06-12-2013, 08:52 AM | #61 |
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Grammer and spelling both, apparently.
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06-12-2013, 08:55 AM | #62 |
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06-12-2013, 09:07 AM | #63 | |
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06-12-2013, 09:11 AM | #64 | |
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06-12-2013, 09:35 AM | #65 |
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12% seems a bit low of an estimate when I do searches for books. At least on the rubbish part.
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06-12-2013, 09:47 AM | #66 |
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06-12-2013, 10:04 AM | #67 | |
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06-12-2013, 10:41 AM | #68 |
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I don't need someone to cut up my dinner for me, and I don't need a publisher to be a gatekeeper for me. It's not really all that difficult to filter out the crap for yourself. Most of the real crap fades away as soon as it is written. I can let other people be the guinea pigs, if others read it and enjoy it, it may be worth my time to take a look at it. I value word of mouth more highly than what critics say. If I feel I've been given sufficient reason to take a look, I'll look at the cover and blurb. If I'm still interested, I'll look at the sample. Self-publishing is here to stay.
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06-12-2013, 11:32 AM | #69 | |
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My preference is for an editor who breaks out services into different parts: Storyline, copyediting, and so on. Some editors also don't have the background to do storyline editing (and some don't know it) for every genre. I pay more for someone who has experience in storyline editing than I will for copyediting (which is more of a learned skilled.) I've also hired an editor specifically for ... well, I guess you could call it word choice. Someone who can run through the document to make sure that my characters are not all talking the same -- they need quirks and they need their own vocabulary. Huntington, in the Sedona series, is a bit stuck-up. I don't want him to sound like Sedona or Brenda, Sedona's sister-in-law, etc. I hired the word editor because after a run-through, it became obvious that it's easy for me to get stuck in the same old word choices that I am used to. She helped me break a bad habit that I didn't even know I was forming! Not that she picks words for me, but she is a devil for the details and if I say something like "This food is good." She is likely to write in the margin "Delicious, heavenly, awesome" She helps me take "plain Jane" and show me where Jane shows up in the same t-shirt too often. That said, I am not one who wants to pay 1500 to 2500 for a package deal (This type of thing usually includes storyline, grammar, editing and a couple of passes.) The amount usually comes from someone who has at least done some magazine editing or editing via contract for a trad publisher. This does not mean they are any good at it--and you should always ask for a 3 to 5 page sample edit before hiring anyone unless they come recommended by someone you know. Part of the problem is that there are editors out there who charge 750 for a package deal--for one pass that is supposed to catch everything. I've yet to meet one that can go through and make storyline comments and catch all the copyediting that needs to be done. But they are packaged that way most often. Point being, I shop VERY carefully for what I pay for. I did tech writing in the industry for a few years so I know about how much time is spent per page for copyediting. I do storyline editing and I know how much time it takes. The ones with a good rep charge more that is all there is to it. But editors and writers also have to have some rapport. I pay what I can. That means some of it depends on sales. Some of my books have a word editor, a storyline editor and a copyeditor--three different people, along with 4 to 5 beta readers. Some of the earlier ones don't have a word editor. The last one I published, I couldn't afford the word editor, but it had a storyline editor and the copyeditor as well as several beta readers. And I'm always shopping around. I am willing to try new people because editing is hard work and the prices tend to go up and up in the current environment. |
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06-12-2013, 11:35 AM | #70 | |
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There are a number of authors who don't get any editing help, but that is usually because they can't afford it--not because they expected it would be free and it turned out it wasn't. They know it costs something. They just don't always have the money. It's a choice like anything else. |
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06-12-2013, 11:42 AM | #71 | |
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06-12-2013, 11:45 AM | #72 | |
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There may be one or two that I will accept, but for the most part, if it's not good enough to get the blessing of some publisher, it probably will be a bad review in which it will hurt sales anyway. So I'd rather not write it. |
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06-12-2013, 11:45 AM | #73 | |
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Personally, I don't trust Joe Nobody the Author's Shill to know more about good writing than the folks at Knopf. |
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06-12-2013, 11:47 AM | #74 | |
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But in fairness, I don't finish every trad book I buy or get from the library either. I think I am more likely to get a well-edited readable book from the library than lendlme OVERALL, but I utilize these resources for new authors in the same way for the same reasons. |
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