05-22-2009, 03:40 PM | #16 |
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I guess when I buy a box of cereal, you'd insist that I eat the box as well as the cereal. As others have said, once I buy it, it's mine & I can discard any portion I want to.
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I am complete agreement with you. Businesses have the right to implement whatever business model they wish. And consumers have the right to chose who they do business with. I don't understand why people get so ruffled up. Just DON'T by the DRM books. I've had my PRS-505 for over a year now and aside from the first book I bought when I pursed the reader I've yet to buy another book from SONY. =X= |
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05-22-2009, 03:53 PM | #18 |
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05-22-2009, 04:08 PM | #19 |
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I think this debate is really just the ebook bit of a far wider change in the way we consume and distribute digital media and assets. First off I put may hands up to working in the internet industries and having more than a passing interest/involvement in the digital media industry.
Now to my point. We are seeing, in all digital media fields, a change in the way songs/films/books et al are being consumed. I look the younger members of my own family (nephews and nieces from 7 to 21) and see them using very different ways of choosing what they buy. Simple example, my nephew wants to see a particular film. He has already defined in his own mind what he is prepared to pay to see the film and then looks for a supplier. That could be a traditional internet side or via his xbox or maybe his Archos Media Player. If he believes the price is too expensive he just looks for another supplier. I think this is the fundimental change, where with CD, DVD and even books, we were in the past forced to buy at a given price (remember when every CD in the UK was at least £12-99), todays internet generation (i.e. the ones who have grown up with an internet being there) are using different consumer rules. The internet isn't just free content but it has to have content that is priced correctly. Someone earlier said if a DRM'd book was $2.99 they wouldn't mind but if it was $15.99 they won't consider purchasing. This for me is the essence of the new digital market. If I can "rent" my DRM'd ebook at a reasonable rental price, re-read it as I want on my device but then 'rent' a new copy for a new device I have much less of a problem with DRM. That said this means that DRM should be priced at a fraction of the cost of say a printed version, and most ebooks are more expensive in my experience. That's my 2 cents worth |
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My take is people just won't understand until they become eBook readers. THEN they'll get it. =X= |
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05-22-2009, 04:42 PM | #21 |
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For the second quote, however I'm not trying to castigate you for "being wrong" (or whatever "bad" motive one may choose). Rather, I'm hoping to point out some facts, some arguments and some opinions that p3aul may not have considered. I maintain that he's still free to issue content with DRM if he chooses (note: "he" probably really means "p3aul/his wife/her publisher/..."). I'd be disappointed, but it is their choice, not ours. All that said, first a few facts:
P3aul: Are you with me so far? If not, specific disagreements would be welcome. The folks at Baen have been publishing paper books for 20+ years. They're distributed in paper by Simon&Schuster, and can be found in most bookstores in the US and Canada (and many other countries). They've been selling eBooks for over a decade, with no DRM... and no piracy problem. Meanwhile, they've grown steadily by all relevant measures ($ gross, copies sold, $ profit, etc.) even as the publishing industry as a whole has shrunk. All with a typical sell-through of around 80%. Their authors include the gamut from front-listers who routinely hit the NYT best-sellers list with each new book, through strong mid-list authors, to complete newbies whose books may or may not move well. The combination of low prices and DRM-free eBooks has led to a situation where their eSales produce roughly 20% of gross (and a larger percentage of profit) -- even as their paper sales have continued to climb, and their authors get better royalties for eSales than for paper sales. So p3aul: We have here a real-world case where a real publisher has had real success with ebooks, while providing a win-win-win situation for publisher, authors, and customers! With no DRM in sight. Is that, perhaps, worth paying attention to? If not, why not? Xenophon |
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I was getting ready to write something up, but I think you all chased p3aul out of the thread.
The way my neck feels I don't mind skipping the post, or at least putting it off. -MJ Last edited by mjh215; 05-22-2009 at 06:36 PM. |
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05-23-2009, 02:51 AM | #25 |
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Does anyone mind if I just close the thread as we . I'll just leave it open for today and then close because it seems we are making a monologue right now!
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Please do close it ....
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Like other "important" and "debated" subjects, unfortunately this particular thread is now a monologue due to p3aul having departed from us. Therefore, I feel it would be judicious to close it, even though its topic is "important" enough to warrant a discussion - somewhere else. Don |
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05-23-2009, 01:19 PM | #30 |
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But I like monologues!
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