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I know Calibre will create an inline TOC when converting to MOBI format, as long as you can set the correct regex to accurately identify the headings you want included in the TOC. It works most easily with books that are accurately coded (using h1, h2, h3, etc, for titles and headings) and/or that have chapter/section titles that include words such as "chapter", "section", etc. However it's tacked on at the end of the book, which is fine for personal use, but is less than optimal for commercial publication, particularly for non-fiction books, where you will likely want the inline TOC to appear as part of a free sample offered for download, to give the prospective purchaser an accurate and detailed overview of the book's content. |
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Kindle Gen should also pick up the external TOC.
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Neither Calibre nor Kindlegen create an inline TOC from the NCX TOC. They will incorporate the NCX data into the MOBI file so that it's there for the ereader device or app to make use of, e.g. on the Kindle, navigation point markers are placed on the progress bar, corresponding with the navigation points coded into the NCX file, and the 5-way control button can be used to skip to the previous or next navigation point.
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Hi Donna, Johny come lately here. Reading up on Mobi and finding your posts has got me concerned.
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I'm proofing on an iPad with the Kindle App and MobipocketReader for the PC and they look pretty cool if I dont say so myself but have I missed something out that I'm not aware of? Forgot to mention - I didn't rename the paragraph styles from the original source files (InDesign) so they are called all sorts of things (subsubsubhead etc.) that previous designer thought up Last edited by wannabee; 02-28-2011 at 11:31 PM. |
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Heh...most of us could probably be called that.
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Whether Calibre's method of adding an inline TOC to the end of a file is acceptable in any particular ebook intended for commercial distribution is essentially an editorial decision, as is the suitability of the content captured in that TOC. Some books (e.g. novels with simple "Chapter One", "Chapter Two", etc, headings) may not need an inline TOC at all, or having it at the end of the book (and accessible via the "Go To..." menu) might actually be preferable compared to having it near the start of the book, since it's only going to be useful under a few very specific circumstances. For books with more descriptive chapter titles, and in particular non-fiction books, one might (and I do emphasise "might"!) prefer to have the inline TOC in the conventional place near the start of the book, for two reasons:
That shouldn't be an issue in itself, Mark. If one is capable of creating a regular expression that will trap all of the headings and subheadings wanted in the inline TOC (and you clearly are! ), then not a problem. (Though I'd add here that ideally, you should aim to move towards accurate semantic coding of content (so headings are coded as headings, paragraphs as paragraphs, etc), since that's essential for anything more than absolute basic text-to-speech functionality, and also for possible e-reader functionality such as previous/next heading, paragraph, list, table, etc). |
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply Donna. Very appreciative.
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For example, I like ebooks whose chapter headings link back to the 'inline' TOC. It really improves navigation, particularly on Kindle. But calibre will create not create such anchors. Calibre is a great tool, but I would not consider it part of a quality eBook production workflow. A great list of ebook production resources can be found here: eBook Architects |
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I haven't tried the Amazon plug in. Looks like something extra to look into as well. Thanks mate. |
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Thanks a lot to st_albert. That was exactly what I was looking for. I'm on a linux computer, so installing pearl won't be a problem. Right now I'm using a php script my brother was kind enough to make for me, but it is a bit of a hassle.
The reason I'm not using Calibre is what everyone is talking about. It just doesn't cut it for production for the reasons everyone is explaining. My clients have also have all sorts of weird requirements for the inline TOC, and all I needed was a way to automate the process a little (a poetry book I just made had more than 80 entries.) As for converting EPUB to MOBI, I'm having good results I format the EPUB appropriately from the start and then make the appropriate modifications before generating the MOBI file. JSWolf: I'm amazed by the amount of people that never use the "external toc" because the have no idea it is there, even in EPUB. So I keep the inline toc in the epub also, at least for the time being. |
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Which buggy devices do not work properly with a toc.ncx file? If there wasn't an internal ToC, maybe people would be demanding that this bug gets fixed.
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