Please turn Tidy off by default

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by osnova

I am a new user of Sigil, and have to agree that Tidy messes up with my own code that I spent time doing just right before opening it up in Sigil. Turning it off is not that difficult though once you are aware of the issue.

But if you don't realize it's Tidy changing things, you may think it's Sigil doing it. Also, if you don't realize the changes and then save, you end up having to fix the mess. And if you've made a lot of changes and then see the mess Tidy made, you have two choices, keep your changes and the mess or keep neither. It's not good at all.

I think for now Tidy should be off by default and if it's turned on, a great big requester pop open saying that if you turn on Tidy, it WILL mess up ever sing XML file in your ePub.

[Toxaris]

No, it MIGHT mess up your XML. I never have any issues with Tidy, but that could be due to my work process. I admit I find the internal styles a bother, but usually they can be fixed quite fast.

[DiapDealer]

I think for now Tidy should be off by default and if it's turned on, a great big requester pop open saying that if you turn on Tidy, it WILL mess up ever sing XML file in your ePub.

And now we reach the dead-horse-beating phase of Jon's "I already have a working solution for myself, but I'd like my solution to be the default for everyone" campaign. Think of the children.

The first half of your request is quite legitimate... and the second half is quite asinine.

[cybmole]

I like having tidy working in the background - but then again I'm one of those hopeless dinosaurs who also likes to work in book view :-)

please continue to cater for all tastes.

[Skibble]

If Tidy is turned off, will Sigil stop inserting its own css styles into files? I've been trying to find a way to make that issue go away!

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Skibble

If Tidy is turned off, will Sigil stop inserting its own css styles into files? I've been trying to find a way to make that issue go away!

Yes. Tidy is what is inserting the CSS styles. So turning it off before you load you file(s) is going to stop the CSS insertion.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

And now we reach the dead-horse-beating phase of Jon's "I already have a working solution for myself, but I'd like my solution to be the default for everyone" campaign. Think of the children.

The first half of your request is quite legitimate... and the second half is quite asinine.

Most people who have commented don't like the CSS styles that Tidy makes from the XML files. Since most people want it off, then why not make it defaulting to off?

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Most people who have commented don't like the CSS styles that Tidy makes from the XML files. Since most people want it off, then why not make it defaulting to off?

I think your (and other's) request to have Tidy turned off by default is perfectly valid.

This, however:

and if it's turned on, a great big requester pop open saying that if you turn on Tidy, it WILL mess up ever sing XML file in your ePub.

is what I find asinine (that and your inability to accept that your perfectly reasonable request just might not be granted).

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I think your (and other's) request to have Tidy turned off by default is perfectly valid.

This, however:

is what I find asinine (that and your inability to accept that your perfectly reasonable request just might not be granted).

But using Tidy will change your XML files even if it finds nothing actually wrong with them. It creates the CSS from perfectly valid code. Most people won't know it's Tidy doing this and this, there should be some sort of warning.

[cybmole]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

. Most people won't know it's Tidy doing this .

the clue is in the name - I would expect something called "tidy" to , well, TIDY up, so of course it will change code.

you can aesthetically object to HOW it does it, but that's a different issue

foe me it's a great tool as I can run "replace all" across all files on opening tags & leave it to tidy up the closing tags - very useful when restyling hcapter headings etc.

[John2011]

cybmole said:

"foe me it's a great tool as I can run "replace all" across all files on opening tags & leave it to tidy up the closing tags - very useful when restyling hcapter headings etc."

I do the same as cybmole sometimes. I think Tidy is useful mosy of the time. I have no problem with the way it works now.

Peace,
John P

[Ahmad Samir]

Originally Posted by cybmole

foe me it's a great tool as I can run "replace all" across all files on opening tags & leave it to tidy up the closing tags - very useful when restyling hcapter headings etc.

IIUC, there two levels of what Tidy does in Sigil:
- Bare minimal functionality, this includes e.g. closing open tags, correcting mismatched closing and opening tags... etc.
- A full-fledged cleaning by Tidy, where style="" and <font bits are replaced by css rules (.sgc-1, .sgc-2... etc).

When you turn off the "Cleaning with HTML Tidy" option in Sigil, you're only turning off the full-fledged cleaning; the bare minimal cleaning is done anyway to ensure the document is well-formed.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by theducks

Personally, I would rather have a Sigil.css file rather than the varied styles that get spread bout the pages.
The current way make a global S&R very difficult... Read near impossible since I have seen some tags in chapters) HAVE SGC codes and others have none (and it is not obvious why that happened
At least with a central Sigil.CSS, the same code and my adjustments are simplified.

I agree, a sigil.css is a good solution. The code needs to ensure the reuse of an entry instead of creating a new one. I had one file that was edited in several sessions and even in the on page CSS I found that the same exact CSS entry would be stored under several different Sigil CSS classes.

Dale

[rcgordon]

I'm not seing a menu item or preference setting for Automatic Style Creation (Sigil 5.0.3). How do you turn it off?

I am also still experiencing addition of CDATA, changes in indentation, and added blank lines even with Tidy turned off.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I have done that for Sigil here on the desktop and laptop. But I want it done for everyone who uses Sigil. I've just recently started seeing ePub sold that were edited with Sigil and the XML styles that Tidy generates is a bother.

mmat1 says it very well...



Turn off automatic style-creation and don't allow it back on.

[mmat1]

Originally Posted by rcgordon

I'm not seing a menu item or preference setting for Automatic Style Creation (Sigil 5.0.3). How do you turn it off?

Look at
Quick-Settings -> Cleaning with HTML-Tidy

If you want, that there are no major changes made by tidy, you should turn it off before you open your epub.