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Old 02-08-2011, 11:46 AM   #151
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I'm curious. Are more ebooks available in epub than mobi (Amazon)? Are more books sold in epub than mobi?

Do such statistics exist?
Unlikely as Amazon is known not to tell their sales figures.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:24 PM   #152
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I'm curious. Are more ebooks available in epub than mobi (Amazon)? Are more books sold in epub than mobi?

Do such statistics exist?
We know Amazon has the largest e-book store. We know that Amazon has the largest share of the e-book market in the US.

Both of these two things make me think that there are more e-books in Mobi format and that more Mobi format e-books are sold.

But that is pure speculation based on two incomplete data points.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:26 PM   #153
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Epub is the standard because it is the standard of the IDPF.

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A publishing trade group can declare anything they want to be the standard. But that doesn't actually make it the standard.

And it's clearly not the standard in the US.

Also, they are not the boss of me. :-)
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Unlikely as Amazon is known not to tell their sales figures.
Does anyone?
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:47 PM   #154
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But that is pure speculation based on two incomplete data points.
That would be my speculation as well, based on incomplete data.

I suppose it could be argued that a standard is the format that most books are available in.

OTOH, another way to define a standard is what format is common to the most EBRs.

OTOOH, another way to define a standard is what format is common to the most prolific EBR.

Perhaps it's like the measurement standard: in the USA we use English Imperial and much of the rest of the world uses the metric system. So perhaps standards are more location based.

I guess it's safest to say that the only thing standard is non-standard.
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:17 PM   #155
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I guess it's safest to say that the only thing standard is non-standard.
Or, as Andrew Tananbaum once said:

"The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from."
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Or, as Andrew Tananbaum once said:

"The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from."
I love that quote!
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Old 02-09-2011, 05:32 AM   #157
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Another standard is TEI (http://www.tei-c.org/index.xml)
Technically superior, as it is actually designed for content markup rather than display markup, but little used outside of specialist circles.
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I'm curious. Are more ebooks available in epub than mobi (Amazon)? Are more books sold in epub than mobi?

Do such statistics exist?
Two very good questions. I certainly have no special insight, but I'll take a stab.

As to "available", it is (as any Calibre user will tell you) a technical triviality to convert between formats, so any ebook available in one format is (absent artificial barriers) essentially available in all. It is just as technically trivial for any ereader to support any ebook format (again, cf. Calibre), and there are at least two freely available epub rendering engines that Amazon could drop into its firmware at essentially zero cost.

Which is why, in the absence of technical barriers, industry players have felt compelled to erect artificial ones, in the form of DRM and business-driven decisions over which formats to support. Amazon made a business decision to not support epub (even wrapped in DRM); conversely, my ereader doesn't support mobi simply because there's no compelling business reason for it to -- here in Asia no one's even heard of the Kindle, or .azw[*].

As to "sold", in the US Amazon dominates the ebook market, apparently, so it's pretty easy to guess that .azw is outselling .epub. In the other 95 percent of the world, .azw isn't even an also-ran.

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[*] No longer true. I actually saw a Kindle in Shanghai a week or two ago. It was stuck in a corner, lost in a sea of non-Kindle ereaders, and the salesman didn't seem overly excited about the thing. But there it was. Of course, it could have been a knock-off, rather than the genuine article (I once bough a fake iPhone just a few stalls down; and Shanghai is flooded with imitation iPads; so who knows?).
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A publishing trade group can declare anything they want to be the standard. But that doesn't actually make it the standard.
You're trying to create an argument by conflating disparate definitions. So, we could argue about this for a month, each of us pretending the other is wrong. Or we could simply define our terms, since this is really a discussion about definitions.

You're talking de-facto, I'm talking industry. When I say "standard" I mean IEEE or ISO (or in this case IDPF). When you say "standard" you mean Microsoft-style. Neither of us is wrong. Both definitions are useful, and there's no reason they can't co-exist.

Now, if we're talking industry standard, epub is clearly the only format that can make any claim to the title, regardless of how much market share Amazon has. If we're talking about a de-facto standard, the picture may be quite different -- in the US, at any rate.

One further point: there's no reason there can't be more than one standard, under either definition.

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Both of these two things make me think that there are more e-books in Mobi format and that more Mobi format e-books are sold.
This needs to be disambiguated. By "more e-books in Mobi format" do you mean "more titles available", or "more copies made"? Moby Dick can be had in both formats; thus, in terms of titles it's a statistical tie (and the technical triviality of conversion between the formats strongly suggests that in available-title terms it will always be a tie).

But if for every mobi Moby sold by Amazon, three epub Mobies are downloaded from Google, then epub Moby has out-Mobyed mobi Moby.

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Old 02-12-2011, 06:44 PM   #161
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I think there are probably more ebook being read in mobi format than ePub.
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I think there are probably more ebook being read in mobi format than ePub.
may be, but it is getting harder to find .mobi books (note I'm saying .mobi, not .azw)
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[*] No longer true. I actually saw a Kindle in Shanghai a week or two ago. It was stuck in a corner, lost in a sea of non-Kindle ereaders, and the salesman didn't seem overly excited about the thing. But there it was. Of course, it could have been a knock-off, rather than the genuine article (I once bough a fake iPhone just a few stalls down; and Shanghai is flooded with imitation iPads; so who knows?).[/QUOTE]


Well put, A Some of the MR talk tends to be North American centric and seems to only include Sony, Apple and Amazon. Hopefully, there will be more and more choices in the future of formats and ereaders not less.
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Wow! That's awesome! Of course, I don't really want paper books to die out completely. I just feel glad that e-books for the Kindle beat paper books.
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