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Old 05-24-2010, 09:21 PM   #256
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Well yes I think we can all admit Fair use is a problem in the eyes of the copyright cartel and they are trying to "solve" it. But since their stated goal is to prevent infringement I figured I'd go with that and point out there's no legal reason to prevent copying. I've often said copyright is a bad name and it should be called distribution-right. The act of infringement doesn't happen till the distribution.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:17 AM   #257
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It is usually not wise to underestimate technology's abilities to solve problems, but neither should one forget that there are limits to what is possible. Besides, if any entity can actually stop us from manually jotting down an eBook we are reading, from hiding our files away from prying eyes, or from sharing data with people by physically walking over to them and giving them storage devices, then by God is a little copyright infringement going to be the least of our problems.
The idea is to stop casual downloading by people who aren't tech savvy. They know that anyone who knows their way around computers will get around what they do, but they are just a minority so they don't really matter.

The main problem, as I see it, is that the people who aren't tech savvy used to buy their pirate content on CDR from the people who are. When it became easy to download that content for themselves, it left them with some spare income, which they then spent on other (legitimate) entertainment goods.

But if you push downloading back underground again, they will just go back to buying CDRs from the people they used to buy them from. Which means the entertainment companies that were benefitting from their CDR money will lose out.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:21 AM   #258
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I think the problem DRM is trying to solve can be stated as "prevent unauthorized copying and distribution of books/songs/movies" (where the limits for authorized copying are left to the sensitives of the person in question). Does anybody object to this definition? And, if so, how do you think it should be modified?
There is also the problem of people trying to access content on unauthorised playback devices. Barnes & Noble books on a Kindle, for example.
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I think the problem DRM is trying to solve can be stated as "prevent unauthorized copying and distribution of books/songs/movies" (where the limits for authorized copying are left to the sensitives of the person in question). Does anybody object to this definition?
Yes.

It's also about a monopoly in the distribution and pricing of content, forcing the use of certain technologies and in many cases equipment upgrades rather than the market deciding such, eliminating fair use by imposing legal barriers on it's removal and as a barrier to free trade (for example, regional restrictions).

Your definition is patently inadequate on those grounds.

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Old 05-25-2010, 07:34 AM   #260
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The idea is to stop casual downloading by people who aren't tech savvy. They know that anyone who knows their way around computers will get around what they do, but they are just a minority so they don't really matter.
Not so, I am afraid. Oh, you can perhaps make it more difficult for the average consumer to share his copy with a few friends, let them have a copy, as it were. But "casual downloading"? That's totally unaffected by DRM, because that's where the tech savvy people come in: they remove the DRM and upload. Downloading takes practically zero skills.

All that DRM does, really, is make it harder for the people who actually spent the money on a legitimate copy meaning that, ironically, the downloaded copy is technically superior.

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Old 05-25-2010, 08:40 AM   #261
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The idea is to stop casual downloading by people who aren't tech savvy. They know that anyone who knows their way around computers will get around what they do, but they are just a minority so they don't really matter.
Then someone tech savvy make a program or something to make it easy, and voilà, back to the starting point.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:41 AM   #262
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Which brings us back to the original posting ... prosecuting those that do that sort of thing.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:35 AM   #263
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Which brings us back to the original posting ... prosecuting those that do that sort of thing.
Which then generates publicity and attracts more people away from buying CDRs and towards downloading themselves. The Napster effect.
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Not so, I am afraid. Oh, you can perhaps make it more difficult for the average consumer to share his copy with a few friends, let them have a copy, as it were. But "casual downloading"? That's totally unaffected by DRM, because that's where the tech savvy people come in: they remove the DRM and upload. Downloading takes practically zero skills.

All that DRM does, really, is make it harder for the people who actually spent the money on a legitimate copy meaning that, ironically, the downloaded copy is technically superior.
Fair point. It's actually actions designed to cut down on internet piracy that I was referring to, not sure why I applied it to DRM except that internet piracy is one of the justifications for imposing it on legitimate customers.
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Which brings us back to the original posting ... prosecuting those that do that sort of thing.
And as EMI can tell you, that works great.

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