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Old 04-15-2010, 07:45 PM   #1
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[GIZMO] Apple Blocks Pulitzer Prize-Winning Cartoonist From App Store

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Mark Fiore made a little online history this week by being the first web-only journalist to win a Pulitzer Prize. His editorial cartoons, though, were rejected from the App Store for violating Apple's anti-satire provisions. That's a dangerous precedent.
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Bad for sure, as that's getting into censoring content and stifling speech.

I can more deal with them rejecting apps that they feel don't fit with their user experience, open security holes etc.

And I can understand not wanting apps with adult content, profanity etc.--though I don't like it. But if they want their store to be family friendly I respect their right to do so.

But it's going to far when they're banning apps for poking fun at apple, and sets a dangerous precedent for just banning things for opinions they disagree with rather than the type of app they don't want, profanity, nudity etc.

I just hope some other companies don't drop the ball and make a tablet that's just a slick and easy to use as the iPad, but has a real file system, an open app system etc. I really, really want a tablet, but stuff like this makes me hesitant to buy an iPad even though I really like it's functionality in most respects from playing around with my girlfriend's iPad.
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Good points. I guess I find it ironic that if they've gone to this extent to control their apps they've not done this with the music they sell. Some of the songs they sell have extremely strong lyrics and album covers.


I don't know as much as I use to disliked Microsoft's bullying tactics, they never got this bad. They might of employed tricks to give them the edge, but never an outright denying of access.

One thing is to lock down a phone, another is to lock down a tablet or PC. I don't think Google will make this same mistake. There are already some higher end tablet devices that offer more functionality than the iPad but are much more expensive. By the end of this year there will be many Google based tables and Window based tables that compete directly with the iPad. I am inclined to believe these devices will not be so restricted. Toshiba just confirmed they will make a Windows 7 dual screen table slated to release by the end of this year

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The Jobsian policies in place now will kill Apple quicker than any competition. These recent decisions by Apple are sending them quickly into the realm of the irrelevant and laughable. Pissing off Adobe and Google recently hasn't helped Apple any either.
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Yeah, that's why I don't like it as it starts a precedent, of restricting things based on content.

When they've not done that with music or movies sold in the iTunes store etc. (well no Porn, but don't ban R rated movies etc.).

I don't like the App rejection stuff period, but could do with it as I just have basic app needs--network video players, newspapers, weather, pdf readers, comic readers etc.

So I can deal with some apps getting rejected as they're apps I wouldn't use anyway as my needs are already covered by what's out--and I can't think of any type of app I'd want that is likely to get rejected. It sucks for developers and I don't like it, but in the end that doesn't affect me much.

But if they want to start limiting things based on content....that's setting a dangerous precedent.
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The Jobsian policies in place now will kill Apple quicker than any competition. These recent decisions by Apple are sending them quickly into the realm of the irrelevant and laughable. Pissing off Adobe and Google recently hasn't helped Apple any either.
That's going to far as the average Joe Six Pack user isn't even aware of this stuff happening, much less really caring about it. They just buy an iPhone, iPad, iTouch, buy some random apps, put some music etc. on it and enjoy their device.

Most people aren't keeping up on the news, reading tech sites etc.
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I don't know as much as I use to disliked Microsoft's bullying tactics, they never got this bad. They might of employed tricks to give them the edge, but never an outright denying of access.
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Yep. I am a long term Apple customer, but recently my feelings have been mostly of the disappointment variety.

I just wonder if this will result in the Wall Street Journal squashing negative stories about Apple, lest it be banned from the iPad....

Apple is the new North Korea.
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That's going to far as the average Joe Six Pack user isn't even aware of this stuff happening, much less really caring about it. They just buy an iPhone, iPad, iTouch, buy some random apps, put some music etc. on it and enjoy their device.

Most people aren't keeping up on the news, reading tech sites etc.

But the people who are keeping up with tech sites are the ones who give recommendations to the non-technical about what to buy. Doesn't take much for word of mouth to spread about Kim Jong-Jobs and his evil ways. Tides can turn a lot quicker than we think.
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But the people who are keeping up with tech sites are the ones who give recommendations to the non-technical about what to buy. Doesn't take much for word of mouth to spread about Kim Jong-Jobs and his evil ways. Tides can turn a lot quicker than we think.
We'll see.

Most people buy gadgets from marketing hype, playing around with display models, playing with friend's iPadsetc.

And most talk of iPads from owners is very positive. My girlfriend loves hers--hell I like it a lot. I just don't like many of Apple's policies. And when we've had it in public people have asked a ton of questions etc., and we've both been pretty positive in answering them.

So most of the comments the casual crowd is going to get from owners is going to be positive, and the average person is more likely to hear that than to talk to a tech head. I'm not much of a tech head myself, and none of my friends are really either. So I'm not convinced that crowd has much impact on sales of mass market items like this.


So I think you overestimate the impact of the tech heads on sales. Just look at the crazy sales of the iPhones--tech heads complaints about it and Apple's policies (which are the same as for the iPad) didn't slow it's sales or have people rushing to by Android phones etc.

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No recommendations needed in iPad's case. A few months ago I was showing off my reader(s) to people that had never even heard of such a thing. Now I can't have a general conversation with anyone without them bringing up the iPad. Everyone knows it, and everyone seems to want it. It seems that most of them know that they won't be really free to do with it whatever they choose, but either they don't really care as long as it looks so good, or they hope someone will hack it soon.
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We'll see.

Most people buy gadgets from marketing hype, playing around with display models, playing with friends etc.

And most talk of iPads from owners is very positive. My girlfriend loves hers--hell I like it a lot. I just don't like many of Apple's policies.

And when we've had it in public people have asked a ton of questions etc.

So I think you overestimate the impact of the tech heads on sales. Just look at the crazy sales of the iPhones--tech heads complaints about it and Apple's policies didn't slow it's sales or have people rushing to by Android phones etc.
I would say the tide is only just turning, and it's only in these last few weeks that the real anti-apple stuff has actually started making sense to a broader spectrum of people. Of course marketing (spits) has had a lot to do with the success of Apple - they don't sell computers, they sell an Ikea version of life and computing to people. A dumbed-down, sleek, unitard vision of what the future might be. Unfortunately for those who aren't tech savvy, the restrictive nature of this future, the glowing age-death in the palm of every Logan user, is not clear immediately. It's only when the crystal glows, the app disappears or the user tries to do something beyond the set of Jobs's vision-for-us-all (tm) that the reality sets in. And then who do they go to? The Einstein-apple employees, the ministers of the new faith in their clear-cube churches? Well if they do they'll find out, like most churches, you end up paying a lot more than you thought for salvation. And if they turn to their tech friends they'll be told the real truth; God doesn't exist, the cake is a lie and what you thought you owned was only an illusion. Jobs owns it all, from gate to garden, app store to your eyeballs, Jobs (all hail the Mighty One) is in control.

Mark these words, place them in iCal if you must, but within a year the Apple cult will fall, the clear cubes will grow opaque and the ministers of the church of Jobs will lose their tongues.

You can fool all of your customers most of the time, but you can't piss off developers and competitors even once before the shit hits the fan. Or should that be, iFan (tm)?
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We'll see. I still see this stuff--as much as most of us dislike--being things that just don't affect the average user.

Like I said, my main worry is that they'll start putting limits on what kind of media content you can put on it. Rejecting some apps doesn't affect me much as they aren't rejecting the types of apps I'd probably use. But if they start in any way limiting the type of content I can get--say banning some newspaper apps or other media apps for being critical of Apple etc--that I couldn't tolerate.

Otherwise, I don't mind the closed system that much as there's apps for everything I'd want, and I like my gadgets as simple and intuitive to use as possible. I'm not a tech head so I do very little customizing and tweaking. Even with Windows XP, the only thing I customize is turning the start menu, control panel etc. back to the classic windows 95 look.

So most of this stuff that people hate about Apple doesn't affect me. But this instance really starts a slippery slope that worries me.
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If it was just one store I wouldn't have any issue with it. Jobs could go all Disney-like if he wanted, no problem.

That's if there were other options. There aren't (legitimately). So basically it's buy a Jobs product, buy into Jobs' morality. No choices.

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Otherwise, I don't mind the closed system that much as there's apps for everything I'd want, and I like my gadgets as simple and intuitive to use as possible. I'm not a tech head so I do very little customizing and tweaking. Even with Windows XP, the only thing I customize is turning the start menu, control panel etc. back to the classic windows 95 look.

So most of this stuff that people hate about Apple doesn't affect me. But this instance really starts a slippery slope that worries me.
That's what most people I talk with are saying: "The closed system doesn't really affect me, because I'm satisfied with what is available and I don't miss much what isn't". But that means that censorship (if we can call it that) only bothers us when it affects things we wanted to have access to? Even if the approved apps/content could cover all my needs and more, I still resent the fact that Apple has to approve them first.
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