Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Software > Calibre

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-21-2010, 02:30 AM   #1
fastesthamster
Member
fastesthamster began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 23
Karma: 10
Join Date: Dec 2009
Device: Kindle 2
Feature request: Anthology creation

I have a couple of books in a series (e.g. Dune Series). I recently purchased the Night's Dawn trilogy in a single volume, and was thinking how useful that would be for a lot of my other series. It's now a single entry in the awful Kindle system of book organisation.

So, if Calibre could take as input three books, say, and then output a single volume with a table of contents with links to the three volumes, that would be fantastic.

Thoughts?
fastesthamster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2010, 11:06 AM   #2
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,645
Karma: 5629001
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: (The original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Baen call those Omnibus editions
Where 1 to 3 books in a series have been combined into a single volume.
I currently use an Omnibus tag, but that does not easily cross reference to the individual (original) titles, using the Omnibus title as a reference link only.
I am looking for ideas
Condition 1: Individual books are in library, and series indexed in order <Calibre does this well
Condition 2: Omnibus is in the library, no individual book index overlap < 1) How to make cross a reference entry 2)What to set the series index value to for the Omnibus

Condition 3: A mix within a series of Omnibus and individual books < series index setting a huge issue

I already use empty books as (and tagged) placeholder for future release/purchase markers

Ideas please

Next up: Author Pseudonym cross referencing within Calibre
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2010, 09:17 PM   #3
lisa.m
Enthusiast
lisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it is
 
Posts: 27
Karma: 2248
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Jersey
Device: Kindle
I have quite a few of those and they are a pain, yes. I've figured out a way to handle it on calibre however it doesn't change anything on the kindle. What I do is add the anthology file to calibre multiple times. (the number of books that are contained within the anthology) Then I rename each file as the individual books. It doesn't change the contents of the file, each book is still the full anthology but at least I know what books are in my library. That way if I've only read one or two books in the anthology I can mark them read and rate them.

Like this:

Anthology - rename as book 1
Anthology - rename as book 2
Anthology - rename as book 3

It can be a bit clunky but it is better than nothing. Also, now with the new ability to rename DRM books coming with the next calibre release you could essentially do the same on the kindle.
lisa.m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 03:16 AM   #4
Worldwalker
Curmudgeon
Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Worldwalker ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 3,087
Karma: 722357
Join Date: Feb 2010
Device: PRS-505
I think the first hamster, er, I mean poster, is talking about doing it the other way around.

For example, if you have 10 short stories by Edgar Allen Poe cluttering up your reader's index, it would be nice to be able to merge them into one book called "10 Stories by Poe". This is a big deal to me, as a confirmed Project Gutenberg addict, because every single short story is its own ebook, which is downright annoying at times and leads to massive index clutter.
Worldwalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 05:31 AM   #5
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,645
Karma: 5629001
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: (The original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldwalker View Post
I think the first hamster, er, I mean poster, is talking about doing it the other way around.

For example, if you have 10 short stories by Edgar Allen Poe cluttering up your reader's index, it would be nice to be able to merge them into one book called "10 Stories by Poe". This is a big deal to me, as a confirmed Project Gutenberg addict, because every single short story is its own ebook, which is downright annoying at times and leads to massive index clutter.
I believe you could use Sigil to combine 3 (or more) documents and generate a TOC with a little effort

The Dune books in the example are full novel length stories written when a Mass market Paperback was about 5/8 inch thick. Today's books are over an inch thick, so Publishers choose to combine older books to get the size (and price) up to standards. Ace Doubles, anyone
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 08:17 AM   #6
lisa.m
Enthusiast
lisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it islisa.m knows what time it is
 
Posts: 27
Karma: 2248
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Jersey
Device: Kindle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Worldwalker View Post
I think the first hamster, er, I mean poster, is talking about doing it the other way around.

For example, if you have 10 short stories by Edgar Allen Poe cluttering up your reader's index, it would be nice to be able to merge them into one book called "10 Stories by Poe". This is a big deal to me, as a confirmed Project Gutenberg addict, because every single short story is its own ebook, which is downright annoying at times and leads to massive index clutter.
Yup, you're right. I didn't read closely enough. Personally I don't like my books combined together. I think for short stories it would be great, otherwise no thanks.
lisa.m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 08:30 AM   #7
poshm
Fanatic
poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.poshm ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
poshm's Avatar
 
Posts: 582
Karma: 1003580
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Cambs, UK
Device: PocketBook 360, Sony Reader Touch, Ipod touch & Kindle 2
For Calibre to actually have the ability to combine books in a series with a clickable TOC is a great idea.

I currently use Calibre to convert each file in a series to rtf format, open in OpenOffice, save as HTML - combine all into a single HTML file and then do a large amount of cleaning up as well as coding in a clickable TOC. It's a lengthy process but once I have the HTML format I can easily convert to mobi or other formats. I guess I could use Sigil but I like HTML.
poshm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 08:48 AM   #8
pdurrant
The Grand Mouse
pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.pdurrant ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
pdurrant's Avatar
 
Posts: 31,723
Karma: 87832072
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Norfolk, England
Device: NOOK ST GlowLight
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastesthamster View Post
I have a couple of books in a series (e.g. Dune Series). I recently purchased the Night's Dawn trilogy in a single volume, and was thinking how useful that would be for a lot of my other series. It's now a single entry in the awful Kindle system of book organisation.

So, if Calibre could take as input three books, say, and then output a single volume with a table of contents with links to the three volumes, that would be fantastic.

Thoughts?
That would be very clever. It migth even be possible. But until it's done, you could do it 'by hand':

Use the MobiUnpack script to unpack the books you want to combine, and then using Mobipocket Creator to rebuild as one omnibus, by moving the HTML into one folder, amending one of the opfs to reference all HTML files, and perhaps even tweaking the HTML to set a suitable tag for getting Mobipocket Creator to make a TOC that links to the individual TOCs in the books.

Well, if you're on Windows, of course. Mobipocket Creator doesn't work on Mac or Linux.
pdurrant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 08:54 AM   #9
rcuadro
Wizard
rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rcuadro ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
rcuadro's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,688
Karma: 874275
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Device: Kindle DX
That would be pretty neat. Especially now that I am reading the Dark Tower Series. I could buy all 7 books, add them to Calibre, and have one massive book
rcuadro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2010, 09:14 AM   #10
Blue Tyson
Blue Captain
Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Blue Tyson ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Blue Tyson's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,596
Karma: 5000236
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Australia
Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini
I actually do that homebrewed via Perl, using Plucker, have a TOC that links to all the books or short stories of interest for a given author, etc.
Blue Tyson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2010, 02:48 AM   #11
Dopedangel
Wizard
Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Dopedangel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Dopedangel's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,101
Karma: 8671315
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Singapore
Device: Coolreader(Nexus 5)\Coolreader(Nook Touch)
With epub supporting Mutilevel TOC I think the problem of very cluttered index should not
exist
I also would like it to have the ability to break down a omnibus edition to its
individual books using the TOC but I think the conversion would need a well defined TOC
and most formats don't support it.
Dopedangel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-23-2010, 09:44 PM   #12
Sabardeyn
Guru
Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Sabardeyn's Avatar
 
Posts: 629
Karma: 1242364
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Right Coast
Device: PC (Calibre), Nexus 7 2013 (Moon+ Pro), HTC HD2/Leo (Freda)
LOL! The funny thing is I've got the exact opposite issue.

I've got a few Omnibus editions and I would prefer to have the individual titles within calibre's database rather than the Omnibus Title. Right now I am entering the Omnibus Title, Series Name and Series Index # (as appropriate to the whole series). This prevents issues within large series where books 1-10 are individual and then 11-14 are an omnibus edition, listed as 11. I enter the names of all book titles within the Description / Comment field. This does alter the book numbering though (what should be book #15 is now listed as #12 which is the right order, but the wrong number - strictly speaking). For real world examples, think H. P. Lovercraft (and any of the numerous adherents who increase the Cthulhu Mythos every day), or Agatha Christie, who both have had books published in multiple formats, multiple titles, multiple omnibus editions, etc. To know what is in the book is more important than the book title.

But personally I am finding that this does not work all that great. I have several Omnibus, let alone Anthologies. And then their are Manga and Magazines... Those two get very, very ugly to deal with.

I've wondered if adding a new field, Book Title (and renaming Title to Story Title), would allow Books and Stories to be differentiated without adding too much extra work or overhead. Of course, calibre would also need to support something like the HTML anchor function so you could click a story and jump directly to that story instead of the first page of the book.

A somewhat related issue is version numbers for books. If we're all making corrections to typographical errors, adding TOCs, altering format for readability, etc there should be a means of keeping track of the books version number. Otherwise you cannot know for certain which version is the most up to date.
Sabardeyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 02:42 AM   #13
colinsky
Groupie
colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.colinsky ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
colinsky's Avatar
 
Posts: 189
Karma: 1092954
Join Date: Sep 2009
Device: Sony PRS-300
I'd love to see a feature that would automatically collect books together; nearly half the books on my device are of the type "XXXXXX, part I"/"XXXXXX, part II", "XXXXXX, part III", so it would really streamline my library.
colinsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2010, 10:41 AM   #14
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,645
Karma: 5629001
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: (The original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Breaking an Omnibus apart requires actual manipulation of the book file. This clearly violates DRM restrictions. (Just anoter reason to avoid DRM).

Would I rip apart my paper edition. H--- No
So why would I do this with an e-edition (other than I could if no locked)?

I think the solution to the omnibus, is x-reference records, Where title, author and original series index are entered, but it places a "dummy book" that, when opened (attempt), redirects to the Omnibus edition. (A 3 title omnibus, would have 3 x-ref records. It would really be cool if the link could force a jump to the actual chapter-section in the omnibus (may not be doable with all formats or reading devices).
This would work really well for anthologies, where Author information currently gets muddled (one long list). Now we can create an X-ref for each Author-sory pair.
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 10:53 PM   #15
Sabardeyn
Guru
Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sabardeyn ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Sabardeyn's Avatar
 
Posts: 629
Karma: 1242364
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Right Coast
Device: PC (Calibre), Nexus 7 2013 (Moon+ Pro), HTC HD2/Leo (Freda)
I didn't actually call them "x-references", but isn't that what I said?

I think this issue is a potential major stumbling block for calibre. As ebooks expand into different types of publication markets the need to handle portions of a physical book as separate entities is going to become critical. There are thousands of multiple article/story publications that calibre cannot handle gracefully at this point in time.
Sabardeyn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Feature Request Partzz Calibre 6 09-09-2010 01:11 PM
Feature request AprilHare EPUBReader 2 11-22-2009 05:15 AM
Feature request mrmikel EPUBReader 4 11-20-2009 11:49 AM
Feature request AprilHare Calibre 4 04-22-2009 04:23 AM
Feature request AprilHare Calibre 0 11-22-2008 05:42 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:44 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.