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View Poll Results: What is the best pdf reading ebook device?
Kindle 1 10.00%
Kindle II 1 10.00%
Cybook Opus 1 10.00%
Astak Pocket Pro 3 30.00%
Jetbook Ectaco 2 20.00%
BeBook 1 10.00%
Foxit eSlick 0 0%
eBookwise reader 1 10.00%
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:11 PM   #1
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Exclamation Hi Everyone - Need some clarification and direction

Hi all,
This is my first post on this forum and I'm kinda going to just try and post as much of my concerns as possible so that y'all can help address them.

I'm a major tech dummy ...as in I'm completely lost when it comes to understanding technical aspects of tech stuff. I'm interested in getting an
e-book reader but there seems to be so much information out there that I'm at a complete loss as to what I should go with. I need a reader that will handle PDF documents comfortably since I read a lot of fiction that is in PDF format. I keep finding the term DRM free ??? or DRM again ??? I don't get what that's all about...

What I'm really sure about is that I don't want anything from Sony...so that's one brand that's out of the game...I'm from Canada and I believe that pretty much excludes the Kindle as well (Although I just saw today that Amazon Canada is now shipping Kindle units to Canada...don't know what that's all about)...but suppose I did get a Kindle unit...here's my question to you...I buy all my ebooks from Fictionwise, Bookstrand, Loose Id, Changeling Press, EC and various other smal publishers; does that mean that if I had a Kindle I wouldn't be able to transfer my .pdf files into the reader? Does Amazon have access to my books even though I didn't purchase them from their store? or is it even possible to load the Kindle with non-Kindle books? aargh!!! so freakin' confusing!

I read about several different devices, from all the various forum discussions as well as researching online...there were two products that really caught my eye since they seem to be supporting PDF documents pretty well. The Foxit eSlick and the Astak Pocket Pro EZ reader; however, I've also read that the Foxit has piss poor customer support and is already struggling to provide good feedback in regards to any issues that may be arising with the units. On the other hand, Astak seems to be doing really well with customer support. The Cybook Opus was another one mentioned...but apparently it has a major habit of freezing which is a total No-No in my book.

I need some feedback on what to do...or what to look at...please bear in mind that I do have a macbook so when you're giving advice about changing formats on the PDF...I'll need really detailed information. Although, I really would prefer not to have to deal with re-formatting all my books since I have over a thousand and growing ebook library.

I also don't want to have to pay an arm and a leg for the device. So there you go...I apologize for the excessive length of the post but I really need the help.

Thanks so very much.
I look forward to hearing from all of you.
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:30 PM   #2
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DRM is encryption added by publishers. If any of your PDFs can only be read by Adobe Digital Editions, then they have Adobe DRM. This is ok because the Opus and the EZ Readers support Adobe DRM (for both PDF and ePub formats). Note that the BeBook is essentially identical to the EZ Reader (both are Hanlins, and both have 6" and 5" devices).

To test if your PDFs need to be shifted to a different ebook format, I suggest trying out Sony eBook Library on your Mac (I have only used the Windows version, but I assume the Mac version is similar). Its viewer works for PDFs almost exactly like mobile Adobe Digital Editions on EInk devices. If the PDFs look ok when you select a non-default font size (M, L, XL, XXL) in eBL, then they will work ok on an EZ Reader (say). I know you don't want a Sony, but you are only using eBL for testing. Also, EInk devices typicaly have a landscape mode, which is missing from eBL.

Note that there might be a "best" PDF viewer in your list, but in general there is no "good enough" PDF viewer in the current crop of 5-6" EInk devices. They can all be pretty bad on a significant fraction of all PDFs. However, PDFs created as ebooks are usually better that those created from scientific journals (for example).
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:19 PM   #3
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Here is the info on the Kindle Available in Canada. Remember that if you do order, and are not satisfied in any way, you can return it within 30 days, no questions asked. Just pay return shipping. Here is the link for the Kindle page.

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Also, if your' pdf's are not drm'd you can convert them easily using Calibre, a program developed by our own Kovid Goyal.

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Old 11-17-2009, 09:04 PM   #4
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Desert Grandma - Question

In regards to the Kindle, can Amazon access my personal folders on the device. I'm just thinking of the whole debacle where they pulled a book from all their users devices...I'm worried about privacy issues with that particular product.

You mentioned Calibre, how exactly does a program like that work? Do I open a file through it and it converts itself to the chosen format?
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This is really going to throw you. I say none of the devices you mentioned are good for PDF's. The older Kindle doesn't read PDF's. Personally, I think 6" devices are just too small to display pdf's in a legible manner.

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Old 11-18-2009, 12:11 AM   #6
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You mentioned Calibre, how exactly does a program like that work?
Calibre has its own forum here. It has a command line capability as well, but typically you interact with it via its graphical user interface (GUI). Note that this is a cross-platform app, so it might not be very Mac-like in how it does things. This is again something you can try out immediately, it has its own built-in ebook reading capability and one thing to try is converting PDF to MOBI or ePub and seeing how well the conversion does.
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:15 AM   #7
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:26 AM   #8
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I've never been a fan of the Sony brand...it's strictly a personal preference thing...
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Why did someone vote for the ebookwise being the best PDF reader? It doesn't even support PDF format natively!
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The Kindle doesn't handle PDF natively, and if you use Amazon's conversion service, it's basically converting the PDF in the same way calibre does - with varied results. It sounds like your books are all text, and my guess is that they would convert quite well.

Download calibre, import a couple of books and try to convert then. Then you can use the viewer to see how the end result will look like on a reader.
http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/download_osx

Remember that if you've bought multiformat books at Fictionwise, you can download in another format.
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I've tried calibre, I got really poor results with it. I get the best results with a program called ABBYY PDF Transformer 2.0.
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I've never been a fan of the Sony brand...it's strictly a personal preference thing...
I was never persuaded by brands but by what's good
It's only a coincidence there is so much Sony stuff at my place
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