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Old 08-05-2009, 04:36 PM   #1
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Petition Started to Stop Amazon from Remotely Deleting eBooks from the kindle

The Free Software Foundation plans to ask Amazon to relinquish control of the content that customers load on their Kindle e-book readers.

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Old 08-05-2009, 05:15 PM   #2
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:17 PM   #4
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Hasn't Amazon promised not to do this again (at least without some form of warning)?
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:50 PM   #5
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exactly, Bezos already apologized and said this wouldn't happen again. No petition is needed


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Old 08-05-2009, 11:09 PM   #6
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exactly, Bezos already apologized and said this wouldn't happen again. No petition is needed
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Old 08-06-2009, 12:16 AM   #7
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Online petitions are usually very effective in accomplishing their goals.
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Online petitions are usually very effective in accomplishing their goals.


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Don't laugh it's true, they are so effective Besos promised to never do it again even before the petition was created.

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Wow, that is impressive. You could say it's a "0-click" petition. Maybe Amazon will want to patent it?
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He pre-deleted future deletions?

Consistent mindset.

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Old 08-06-2009, 01:47 PM   #12
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I do think the petition has a good point beyond the deletions. Personally, I agree with them that Amazon isn't quite clear enough about the limitations of the DRM. IMO all companies that sell DRMed content should have an explicit list of what you can and cannot do for your money. It should be up front, detailed, and easy to understand.

For example, take the whole kerfuffle about people running out of licenses that happened a few months ago. Amazon tells you quite clearly on the product page that you can read your books on "up to six" Kindles. That's not a lie, but it's not exactly a detailed description of the real limitations and quite a few people misunderstood how the system worked. The reality is that most books do indeed allow six licenses but the user doesn't have a way to transfer the license. It is tied to the Kindle, not the account. People didn't understand that when they deregistered a device, the license wasn't freed up. Amazon also doesn't tell you how many licenses a specific title allows. If it's fewer than six, that should be clear on the product page along with the warning if TTS is disabled. I've had a Kindle for almost two years and it just became clear a few months ago how the licenses worked. That's not playing fair. I understand the drive to keep marketing literature concise and to highlight the positives but I think it serves both the customers and the business to be transparent. They could have saved themselves a lot of bad PR.
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Old 08-06-2009, 02:07 PM   #13
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That's why I still prefer to have the ability to strip DRM on the eBooks I buy. That makes it pretty transparent.
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No, they couldn't. It was as certain as gravity pulling down the rain. The people who make these decisions are the sort of people who are willing to work for a corporation; the sort who tend to keep their ethics in their wallets. In fact, they're probably proud that they do. (And were specifically proud -- until it blew up -- about their foresight, that allowed them to build such an anti-free technology into their reader, about licensing the dissemination of thought, about the half-a-dozen other things that Amazon has recently done that demonstrate the proto-fascist nature of their ethics.)

Big-time business-people, generally, are people who are incapable of doing things that are fair. The purpose of corporations is to extract maximum wealth, while providing minimum value. Take, but do not give.

The reason that the corporation was invented was to provide a way to shield the people running one from legal and financial responsibility for their actions and decisions. To incorporate, to embody -- to make an "entity". That "entity" does things, right? We rarely talk about the dead-hearted folks who make the decisions and do the dirty work.

People who use money as a metric for decisions about other people's lives and health and property, the value of art, the function of ethics, the purpose of culture, etc. are not the sort of people who should be allowed to have so much power over how we do things, but they do. Money is power, power is worshiped and feared. And it is used.

It's not like the folks who made the Kindle system didn't know what it was capable of -- they made it, after all. Someone ordered it to be made, with these and other, yet unknown capacities. Someone followed those orders, built it and made it work. But they don't tell you what it can do. Or they weasel, or lie, or obfuscate. It happens over and over and over again, from company after company, industry after industry. And we don't shun these people, we embrace them.

Over and over again, sociopathic behavior, dressed up in fine clothes and called proper. Emulated. Admired. Rewarded. Protected.

And you always hear "Well, business is about making money." "The only thing they should be concerned with is the bottom line." "Buyer beware." etc, etc, ad nauseum, etc.

Whenever I hear that, I hear an apologist for someone else's wrongs. An apologist who imagines the day when he will be the beneficiary of some similar scheme to take advantage of others -- although they can never admit such a thing. Possibly because it's such a part of who they are, that they aren't even capable of understanding themselves.

The sort of people who cannot see the relative levels of power and information in the relationship of a corporation to a person, and the way that plays out, as anything to be ashamed of.

I mean, it was George Orwell's 1984 that they used this on. The utter lack of self-awareness and shame is telling.

The relative damage to us all for this one incident is nothing, really, compared to the ongoing destruction being wrought right now by this class of parasites. But it's indicative, and of a piece with all the other disasters brought to us by corporate mentality.

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I am greatly disturbed by the apparent popularity of such misguided and malignant pro-human ideologies!

What about the rights of corporations?

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