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Old 06-22-2009, 09:08 AM   #1
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Exclamation "Piraten" im TV

Heute abend, 22.15 Uhr, auf Phoenix:
Unter Piraten - Wem gehört das geistige Eigentum?

Den Hinweis darauf habe ich gerade bei Börsenblatt.net gefunden ...
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:04 AM   #2
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Danke für den Tipp, werde es mir wahrscheinlich rein aus Interesse anschauen. Wie im anderen Thread bereits geäußert bin ich eigentlich momentan nicht mehr so gut auf die Piraten zu sprechen (Aufnahme von Hrn. Tauss usw.)...
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:10 PM   #3
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Ich musste es vorhin abschalten. So naiv wie Hillbrecht da argumentiert hat... Wie wollen die Wähler gewinnen, wenn sie nicht in der Lage sind ihre Punkte für die Allgemeinheit verständlich zu kommunizieren? Als Informatiker war mir klar, was er eigentlich sagen will aber gleichzeitig empfand ich auch das sichere Gefühl, dass die Mehrheit der Bevölkerung mit der gewählten Argumentation nichts anfangen kann. Wenn man die Leute erreichen will muss man deren Sprache sprechen und ordentlich "verbal visualisieren". R. Scholz hat seine Punkte trotz teilweise großer Wissenslücken (aber bei erstaunlich hohen netztechnischen Sachverstand für diese Generation) viel verständlicher und auch agressiver anbringen können.

Hillbrecht kam einfach wie ein trotziger Junge rüber - ganz einfach weil er offensichtlich ungeübt in Rhetorik und öffentlicher Debatte ist.
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:15 PM   #4
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D*mned, habs verpasst - auch wenn es mich interessiert hätte.

Aber lass den Piraten noch etwas Zeit - sie müssen sich einfach noch einarbeiten und bisher sind es schlicht und ergreifend noch keine professionellen Politiker (was sie irgendwie sympathisch macht). (Was btw auch die Aufnahme von Herrn Tauss erklären könnte - geschmeichelt von der Aufmerksamkeit, überredet von einem professionellen Redner, etc)
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:22 PM   #5
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Ja, schon aber warum sollte ich denen meine Stimme geben, wenn ich Zweifel haben muss, dass sie ihre Punkte auch vernünftig anbringen oder sogar umsetzen können? Bin nach großem anfänglichen Interesse gerade ziemlich enttäuscht von dem Verein äh der Partei . Na mal sehen wie sich das noch bis zur Wahl entwickelt...
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Old 06-22-2009, 05:51 PM   #6
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Ab 0.00 Uhr wohl die Wiederholung oder morgen als Podcast - aber aus Nerds eine Partei zu formen wird schwer. Da fehlt eine Leitfigur (aber bitte nicht Herr Tauss).
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@netseeker: Lass ihnen etwas Zeit und gib ihnen einen kleinen Vertrauensvorschuss Die kriegen das schon noch hin
(Wenn nicht als Bundestagspartei - dann zumindest als Rüttler, der durch den Bundestag geht..)
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Aus aktuellem Anlass - besser die hier?
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Aus aktuellem Anlass - besser die hier?
Ach nee. Doch lieber nicht. Ich wähl lieber Leute, die noch zwischen Realität und dem Geist unseres Grundgesetzes auf der einen und dummen aber gefährlichen Unsinn auf der anderen Seite unterscheiden können.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:51 AM   #10
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Bei mir stand bei Phoenix im Teletext nur irgendwas von "Unter den Linden" habs dann folglich gelassen, schade eigt., hätte mich interessiert. Piraten wählen wird sowieso keiner, schließlich kriegen sie ihre Unterstützerunterschriften nicht zusammen. Ca. 12000 in 32 Tagen klingt nicht besonders realistisch.

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Old 06-23-2009, 11:49 AM   #11
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Die Piraten haben bei den meisten Landesverbänden ihre Unterschriften bereits zusammen
Aber sie werden wohl nicht in allen Bundesländern zur Wahl zugelassen werden - Schade eigentlich. Denn: Völlig egal ob sie wählbar sind oder nicht und egal ob man ihnen zustimmt oder nicht: Die Piraten sprechen ein paar sehr wichtige Punkte an - die in der aktuellen politischen Diskussion leider vergessen werden.
Eine Zulassung zur Wahl ist mMn daher für alle von Vorteil - und sei es nur als Denkanstoß an die etablierten Parteien, das Internet nicht nur als Feind zu sehen und zu denken bevor man springt (frei nach Larry Niven) ...

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Ach das läuft einzeln, war mir nicht bewusst. Entschuldigt bitte, ich dachte alles oder gar nichts
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Hähä, schön wärs - siehe CSU.
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Ich habe es im Fernsehen auch verpasst, scheint aber ja nicht so schlimm zu sein. Ich finde es gut, dass es jetzt eine Partei wie die Piraten gibt. Jede Stimme die sie bekommt verlieren auch die großen etablierten Parteien. Um die zurückzubekommen bleibt diesen nichts anderes übrig als ihre Internetpolitik zu ändern (hoffentlich).
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