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Old 01-24-2009, 09:53 AM   #46
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I am mildly surprised that you 'find it deeply worrying' - it's just someone's opinion, politely expressed.
That's true, Sparrow.
But one can worry about the way that some believers don't appreciate that tolerance works both ways.
I've long been mildly fed up with religious advertisements on British public transport. Buses and trains often have advertisements from Christian evangelist sects. But I wouldn't dream of making a complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority.

But when the British Humanist Society recently advertised on a few buses with the slogan, "There's probably no God," there were hundreds of complaints, and one driver refused to drive his bus.

I believe that there must be a parity of tolerance.

The story is here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7813812.stm
and here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/7832647.stm
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thanks for the link, i read the article. you are probably right that the judge relied on rules of jurisprudence and precedent, which is as it should be.

however, as i said in my previous post, i do think that as a public figure and a figure of authority (particularly such high authority as a judge), he does have a responsibility to take care that his personal beliefs are separate from his professional statements and actions. i still do think it's inappropriate of a judge (note, not of the man) to make this reference about one of his cases.
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That's true, Sparrow.
But one can worry about the way that some believers don't appreciate that tolerance works both ways.
I've long been mildly fed up with religious advertisements on British public transport. Buses and trains often have advertisements from Christian evangelist sects. But I wouldn't dream of making a complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority.

But when the British Humanist Society recently advertised on a few buses with the slogan, "There's probably no God," there were hundreds of complaints, and one driver refused to drive his bus.

I believe that there must be a parity of tolerance.

The story is here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7813812.stm
and here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/7832647.stm
I saw that. I don't think it should be illegal to put something like that on the bus, I just wish people would respect other people's beliefs.

But we know that's asking a lot.
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That's true, Sparrow.
But one can worry about the way that some believers don't appreciate that tolerance works both ways.
Yes, that is precisely what I find concerning.
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... one can worry about the way that some believers don't appreciate that tolerance works both ways.
I believe that there must be a parity of tolerance.
I'm not religious, and don't agree with the original poster's argument - but I don't think they were being intolerant.

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...All I am saying is that it offended me (obviously not everyone), and I would have hoped that Sony could have chosen more topic neutral choices for their excerpts. That's all. People can have the freedom to buy the book all day long, anywhere that sells it. I just thought it was a poor choice to preload on the Reader IMHO. I certainly respect that others have differing opinions.
I appreciate everyone's comments.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:30 AM   #51
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I'm not religious, and don't agree with the original poster's argument - but I don't think they were being intolerant.
I entirely agree, Sparrow: that's why I said "some believers..."

I certainly didn't mean to include the person who started the thread, who was asking a controversial question politely. I apologise if I wasn't clear.
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Old 01-24-2009, 11:07 AM   #52
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I am mildly surprised that you 'find it deeply worrying' - it's just someone's opinion, politely expressed.

Its not the opinion, and while its 'politely expressed' it shows GREAT intolerance for any other belief beside theirs.

This poster wouldn't buy a Sony if they had it to do over again, and won't support their company by not buying books from them.

It was a sample, for cryin' out loud.

They are accusing Sony of religious intolerance. Quote:

2. The choice of including this book demonstrates a policy that they agree with the content of the book, to the point that it should be promoted to every single person who purchases their ebook reader.

3. Sony is committed to this type of religious intolerance because it apparently has also been included for free on the new 700 model.


From a sample of one book?

This to me, is scary.
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Old 01-24-2009, 11:39 AM   #53
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...but one actually really surprised and disappointed me.

It was "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Now this book is not an unbiased or fair and balanced assessment of people of faith. It is an insulting, vitriolic and hateful attack upon them...
msmith,

Thanks for bringing this titile to my attention. I too deleted the excerpts without reading them. But after reading your comments I immediatley bought the book.

At least we can all be content that the worse consequence for writing/distributing a controversial book is that it will be deleted and no one will be stoned, burned at the stake, drawn and quartered or condemned to house arrest for the rest of their lives.

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Thanks for bringing this titile to my attention. I too deleted the excerpts without reading them. But after reading your comments I immediatley bought the book.

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i had not heard of it but after this thread yesterday i took a look at the wikipedia entry for the book which intrigued me enough to add it to my reading list.
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heh heh... I think the OP didn't realize that this thread is actually promoting the book.

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heh heh... I think the OP didn't realize that this thread is actually promoting the book.

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Well, interesting posts, everybody.

If I may pick a nit (and you know I just love to do that), technically a "religion" is a path to reunification with a deity. In order to have a religion, there must be an initial splitting away of man and his/her god. For Judaism, Christianity, and the Muslims this is the whole Garden of Eden myth.

Buddhism is not a "religion" but a philosophy. Since we don't have a god figure, it's rather hard to be upset by the inclusion of other beliefs as samples in a book reader. I realized that we (as a group) were not included in the post about being upset if a Bible were included as a sample read, and it's true. I know I wouldn't be. I have at least three Bibles in the house, a Koran, a Book of Mormen, any number of books on the Talmud (I'm a lawyer, it goes with the territory), and Hindu writings as well. I'm interested in that stuff ... it doesn't mean I believe it, or that if I read it I'm going to believe it. I have read it .... I don't believe it, but it does help me understand the people that do.

If anyone is so weak in their own belief system that the very thought of having a book expressing a contrary opinion, or even a sample of such a book, in their hands is upsetting .... well, that just sucks. I feel for those people, I really do. Must be awful to have your blood pressure go up every time someone questions the existence of your gods.

And, thanks for the post because it reminded me that there were several books by Dawkins that I've been meaning to read, and this is one of them.

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This is what extremists don't understand. Rant and rave and stomp your feet, forbid people to do/read something, because of your personal beliefs, and you create a market for it.
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I have at least three Bibles in the house, a Koran, a Book of Mormen, any number of books on the Talmud (I'm a lawyer, it goes with the territory), and Hindu writings as well. I'm interested in that stuff ... it doesn't mean I believe it, or that if I read it I'm going to believe it.
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