fictionwise 'secure' books for kindle?

etitameh · 01-02-2009, 04:49 PM

okay, i'm sure this information is already present on these forums somewhere, but searching is just leading me in circles... what i'm trying to find out is this: can fictionwise 'secure' ebooks be read on the kindle? i know (well, i think i know) that the multiformat ones are perfectly fine on the kindle, as-is, but all the posts i'm finding seem to indicate that secure mobi fictionwise ebooks won't work on the kindle. some of them suggest using deDRM to get them to work, but (1) the posts aren't clear that that actually works, and (2) i have no experience with deDRM at all, and am hesitant to muck around with it.

i found a post from a little over a year ago stating that fictionwise was adding support for kindles, and a bunch of hits on a google of 'fictionwise kindle' at the same time, but replies to the post here seemed to indicate that there was a problem with the kindle ebooks, and that they were no longer available? maybe? sorry to be so clueless, i'm just trying to piece this together, and my brain is apparently even more foggy than usual!

thanks.

pilotbob · 01-02-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by etitameh

but all the posts i'm finding seem to indicate that secure mobi fictionwise ebooks won't work on the kindle. some of them suggest using deDRM to get them to work, but (1) the posts aren't clear that that actually works, and (2) i have no experience with deDRM at all, and am hesitant to muck around with it.

So, the answer is, without doing ANY drm removal NO. Is "used" to be yes. But that required running KindleFIX. However, the mobipocket encryption servers no longer accept a Kindle PID.

However, you can still buy secure Mobi books at booksonboard.com as long as you get the overdrive (OD) version. You will still have to run KindleFIX on it.

Now, kindle fix does NOT remove DRM. It just allows the mobibook to work on the Kindle. The mobi book is still encrypted using the Kindles PID which you can get with KindlePID scripts. See the Wiki Visual Kindle Guide for info on how to do all this.

That all said, if you are willing to remove DRM (it's really not that hard) you can buy the mobi secure ebook format at fictionwise or booksonboard (or others) and remove the DRM. Once the DRM is removed it will work fine on the kindle.

BOb

etitameh · 01-02-2009, 09:40 PM

excellent, thanks for such a comprehensive answer!

maybe when i've recovered a bit from holiday family visits, etc., i'll take a bash at figuring this stuff out.

pshrynk · 01-06-2009, 02:07 PM

I buy .lit format and use c-lit to convert, then Mobipocket Creator to make them Kindle-readable. Quite slick once you've mastered the whole thing. You have to have MS Reader on your computer to dl, which can be a bit of a pain to get up and running.

pilotbob · 01-06-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pshrynk

I buy .lit format and use c-lit to convert, then Mobipocket Creator to make them Kindle-readable. Quite slick once you've mastered the whole thing. You have to have MS Reader on your computer to dl, which can be a bit of a pain to get up and running.

That will work. But, buying mobi format is a bit easier since you don't need to do any conversion once you remove the drm since the Kindle will read nonDRM mobipocket books. Also, it will work on a Mac which you can not use to by LIT books with.

BOb

pshrynk · 01-06-2009, 03:57 PM

Is there a gui form of deDRM? That's the reason I went for the .lit approach, because I have an unreasoning phobia of command line programs.

pilotbob · 01-06-2009, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pshrynk

Is there a gui form of deDRM? That's the reason I went for the .lit approach, because I have an unreasoning phobia of command line programs.

Not that I know of. But, you need to get over your phobias. Perhaps there is someone you can talk to.

BOb

etitameh · 01-09-2009, 10:25 AM

i ended up not signing up for fictionwise, after all -- couldn't justify the money right now -- and it seems to have turned out for the best, given the thread in the news forum now about overdrive not supplying fictionwise anymore. i realize not all their titles will be affected, but at least some secure mobi ones will be, and that's one more hurdle i just don't want to mess with.

zelda_pinwheel · 01-09-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Not that I know of. But, you need to get over your phobias. Perhaps there is someone you can talk to.

BOb

TadW · 01-09-2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

That will work. But, buying mobi format is a bit easier since you don't need to do any conversion once you remove the drm since the Kindle will read nonDRM mobipocket books.

One advantage of the LIT format when converting it to another format is that the extracted files are usually in a "cleaner" XHTML code than the code that was used to generate the MOBI file.

beernutz · 03-23-2009, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

So, the answer is, without doing ANY drm removal NO. Is "used" to be yes. But that required running KindleFIX. However, the mobipocket encryption servers no longer accept a Kindle PID.

However, you can still buy secure Mobi books at booksonboard.com as long as you get the overdrive (OD) version. You will still have to run KindleFIX on it.

Now, kindle fix does NOT remove DRM. It just allows the mobibook to work on the Kindle. The mobi book is still encrypted using the Kindles PID which you can get with KindlePID scripts. See the Wiki Visual Kindle Guide for info on how to do all this.

That all said, if you are willing to remove DRM (it's really not that hard) you can buy the mobi secure ebook format at fictionwise or booksonboard (or others) and remove the DRM. Once the DRM is removed it will work fine on the kindle.

BOb

Ack, I wish I'd read this an hour ago before I paid $30 for a buywise membership, as I was hoping to use the Fictionwise lending library for my Kindle 2. Oh well, live and learn.

susan_cassidy · 03-23-2009, 02:58 PM

You can still buy Fictionwise's Multiformat Mobipocket books. They work fine on the Kindle (no DRM). I've bought quite a few recently. I just got a Buywise club membership because they sent me a special offer, so that I got back 50% of the 1-year fee in Micropay rebates.

kevindorsey · 03-25-2009, 04:39 PM

Yea, I bought a few too, and no DRM makes them a lot better than most other books right of the bat.

01-02-2009, 04:49 PM	#1
etitameh Enthusiast Posts: 43 Karma: 122 Join Date: Jul 2008 Device: Kindle	fictionwise 'secure' books for kindle? okay, i'm sure this information is already present on these forums somewhere, but searching is just leading me in circles... what i'm trying to find out is this: can fictionwise 'secure' ebooks be read on the kindle? i know (well, i think i know) that the multiformat ones are perfectly fine on the kindle, as-is, but all the posts i'm finding seem to indicate that secure mobi fictionwise ebooks won't work on the kindle. some of them suggest using deDRM to get them to work, but (1) the posts aren't clear that that actually works, and (2) i have no experience with deDRM at all, and am hesitant to muck around with it. i found a post from a little over a year ago stating that fictionwise was adding support for kindles, and a bunch of hits on a google of 'fictionwise kindle' at the same time, but replies to the post here seemed to indicate that there was a problem with the kindle ebooks, and that they were no longer available? maybe? sorry to be so clueless, i'm just trying to piece this together, and my brain is apparently even more foggy than usual! thanks.

01-06-2009, 02:07 PM	#4
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,721 Karma: 5533402 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	I buy .lit format and use c-lit to convert, then Mobipocket Creator to make them Kindle-readable. Quite slick once you've mastered the whole thing. You have to have MS Reader on your computer to dl, which can be a bit of a pain to get up and running. __________________ Embrace your inner weird.

01-06-2009, 03:57 PM	#6
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,721 Karma: 5533402 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	Is there a gui form of deDRM? That's the reason I went for the .lit approach, because I have an unreasoning phobia of command line programs. __________________ Embrace your inner weird.

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01-02-2009, 09:40 PM	#3
etitameh Enthusiast Posts: 43 Karma: 122 Join Date: Jul 2008 Device: Kindle	excellent, thanks for such a comprehensive answer! maybe when i've recovered a bit from holiday family visits, etc., i'll take a bash at figuring this stuff out.

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etitameh Enthusiast Posts: 43 Karma: 122 Join Date: Jul 2008 Device: Kindle	i ended up not signing up for fictionwise, after all -- couldn't justify the money right now -- and it seems to have turned out for the best, given the thread in the news forum now about overdrive not supplying fictionwise anymore. i realize not all their titles will be affected, but at least some secure mobi ones will be, and that's one more hurdle i just don't want to mess with.

03-23-2009, 02:58 PM	#12
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 1,415 Karma: 1022584 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	You can still buy Fictionwise's Multiformat Mobipocket books. They work fine on the Kindle (no DRM). I've bought quite a few recently. I just got a Buywise club membership because they sent me a special offer, so that I got back 50% of the 1-year fee in Micropay rebates.

03-25-2009, 04:39 PM	#13
kevindorsey Evangelist Posts: 488 Karma: 258 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: kindle	Yea, I bought a few too, and no DRM makes them a lot better than most other books right of the bat.


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