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Yes, they are good as-is. 10 50.00%
No, let's vote on the current categories to get rid of our least favorite ones. 2 10.00%
No, let's get more non-fiction. 0 0%
No, let's use JSWolf's list. 8 40.00%
No, let's have a new vote (Dazrin's suggestion). 3 15.00%
No, let's use sun surfer's list. 6 30.00%
No, let's have a new vote (sun surfer's suggestion). 9 45.00%
No, let's get rid of three low voter turnout categories 1 5.00%
No, let's do something else. Explain your response in the comments, be specific. 0 0%
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Old 08-16-2014, 08:21 PM   #1
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2015 Categories Poll

2015 MobileRead Book Club Category Selection Options Vote

We need to decide on the categories for 2015. WT Sharpe has asked for someone else to lead this charge, so I thought I would at least get us started. First up, do we want to keep the same categories as 2013/2014 for 2015?

We had several suggestions in the MR 2015 Categories Discussion thread which I have summarized for the poll, more details are in the spoilers and there are links to the most descriptive post for each as well.
This poll is and open to anyone who wants to participate in the book clubs. This is a visible poll; others can see how you voted. This poll will be open until August 26th.

Everyone who wants to participate in the book club should feel free to vote.

Tie-breaker will the tied category with the most moderator votes. If there is still a tie WT Sharpe, in his role as benevolent (and neutral) dictator will choose and we will move on from there.
Do we want to keep the same categories as 2013/2014 for 2015?
  1. Yes, they are good as-is.
    Here is the list:
    Spoiler:
    January — Second Chance (no nominations, a vote of all the runners-up nominations from the last 11 months)
    February — Romance
    March — Travel/Adventure
    April — Classics
    May — Mystery/Thriller
    June — Award Winners
    July — Non-Fiction
    August — Science Fiction
    September — Banned or Challenged Books
    October — Patricia Clark Memorial Library (MobileRead Library)
    November — Foreign (Books originally written in a language other than English)
    December — Short Stories
  2. No, let's vote on the current categories to get rid of our least favorite ones. Posts 7, 8, 13.
    Here is the description:
    Spoiler:
    As something to chew on in the mean time, I would like a poll with the current categories listed and have everyone vote on their three favorite categories and replace the bottom 2-4 with new selections. That should help us keep the ones we like and reduce the number of new categories we need to come up with. Sort of a compromise between full category selections and status quo.
  3. No, let's get more non-fiction, posts 10, 11.
    Here is the description:
    Spoiler:
    Perhaps alternating between fiction and non fiction and a different genre of fiction each time? For example:
    * Jan-Fiction
    * Feb-Non Fiction
    etc.
    And something like:
    *Jan-Mystery
    *March-Sci Fi
    *May-Romance
    etc. for the fiction months. And having it be open to any topic under non-fiction on those months that are non-fiction months.
  4. No, let's use JSWolf's list, post 46, 28, 37, 40, 41.
    This is the order proposed, as updated by treadlightly:
    Spoiler:
    Jan - Anything Goes
    Feb - Romance
    Mar - Science Fiction
    Apr - Humor
    May - Nonfiction
    Jun - Modern Fiction
    Jul - Classic
    Aug - Historical Fiction (was accidentally "not modern fiction", see comments below.)
    Sep - Fantasy
    Oct - Mystery
    Nov - Thriller/Suspense
    Dec - Second Chance (the year's second place titles)
  5. No, let's have a new vote (Dazrin's suggestion), posts 39, 25, 27.
    Here is the description:
    Spoiler:
    Since nobody wants to redo the category nominations we did in 2012; let's have 3 simultaneous, multiple choice polls that cover most of the categories nominated in 2012. The three votes would be split into General, Non-Fiction Friendly and Fiction categories so that we will have a good variety throughout the year. Additional details in the spoiler.
    Spoiler:
    Preselected Category: No vote needed since everyone seems to like this category.
    January: Second Chance (All the runners-up from last year) - Placed in January so that way we don't need nominations during the holidays and can just have the vote which can be extended since people may be busier than normal.

    Vote 1 - General Categories: Top 4 will be selected.
    • Award Winners (choose your own award)
    • Banned/Challenged Books (someone had a problem with this book somewhere)
    • Classics (choose your own definition of "classic")
    • Contemporary Books ("newer" books, any source)
    • Foreign (originally non-English)
    • MR Author (especially if we can find an author who would provide a copy of their book for discussion and discuss it with us)
    • Patricia Clark Memorial Library (celebrate our own wonderful resource!)
    • Free-For-All
    • Lottery (volunteer or winner provides a list for selection, see Literary club rotating nominations. If no one wants to provide a list, this becomes a free-for-all month.)
    • Short Stories or Essays (specific short story or a collection which could be an anthology, a collection, or a web list of "best stories", etc.)
    • Independently published books
    • Personal Favorites (what is yours? Maybe limit nominations to 1 book, but don't require a second/third?)
    Vote 2 - Non-Fiction Friendly Categories: Top 3 will be selected
    • Non-Fiction (anything non-fiction)
    • Science
    • Philosophy
    • Biography/Memoirs
    • Travel/Adventure (could be fiction or non-Fiction)
    • History
    • Mythology (and folk tales, etc)
    • Humor (could be fiction or non-fiction)
    Vote 3 - Probably Going to be Fiction Categories: Top 4 will be selected, see note about SF/F.
    • Romance
    • Crime (fiction or non-fiction)
    • Mystery (cozy mysteries, etc.)
    • Thriller/Suspense (hard to be cozy with the action and/or tension in here)
    • Historical Fiction
    • Graphic Novels
    • Young Adult
      Note: Final selection will be limited to at most 2 of the following (to prevent saturation):
    • Speculative Fiction (catch-all for fantasy, science fiction, horror, steampunk, etc.)
    • Science Fiction (general sci-fi, Space opera, post-apocalyptic, etc.)
    • Fantasy (magic is generally involved)
    • Urban Fantasy (and paranormal or other contemporary magic.)
    • Horror (Psychological, physical, supernatural, choose your own flavor.)

    Final list would be arranged by a volunteer (I will do it if no one else wants to) in a way that makes "sense", similar to what was done for the 2012 categories.
  6. No, let's use sun surfer's list, post 54.
    Here is the proposed list:
    Spoiler:
    January - Second Chance
    February - Romance
    March - Adventure/Travel
    April - Classics
    May - Mystery/Thriller
    June - Award Winners
    July - Non-Fiction
    August - Science-Fiction or Fantasy
    September - Banned/Challenged
    October - Free-For-All
    November - Foreign
    December - Short Stories

    It's almost exactly the same as our current categories, except I've added Fantasy to Science-Fiction since there was no Fantasy, and I've replaced the MR Library with Free-For-All.
  7. No, let's have a new vote (sun surfer's suggestion), post 57
    Here is the description:
    Spoiler:
    A single category poll run by Dazrin. Multiple choice, visible votes, all votes are final so consider everything carefully beforehand, you can vote for as many or as few as you like. Voting open say two weeks to give everyone a chance to pass by here and vote. The top twelve become our categories. Any relevant ties and we have a run-off, single choice. Everyone can vote but if there’s a tie again then whatever Dazrin (or Tom) voted for breaks the tie.

    Polls only allow thirty options, so here is the list I propose using as they seem to be the thirty most popular options (most often used, repeated, talked about, nominated or supported) when looking back at previous years and previous category nominations and polls:

    Adventure/Travel
    Award Winners
    Banned/Challenged Books
    Classics
    Contemporary
    Fantasy*
    First in a Series
    Foreign (Originally Non-English)
    Free-For-All
    Historical Fiction
    History (Non-Fiction)
    Horror
    Humour
    Indie
    Mystery*
    Mystery/Thriller*
    Non-Fiction
    Not Classic or Contemporary (Around 1980-2000)
    Patricia Clark Memorial Library
    Planes, Trains and Automobiles (and Boats)
    Philosophy
    Pulp Adventure
    Romance
    Science (Non-Fiction)
    Science-Fiction*
    Science-Fiction/Fantasy*
    Second Chance
    Short Stories
    Thriller*
    Young Adult

    The apostrophe indicates similar categories that can’t all be voted into the top twelve. If a combined category (Science-Fiction/Fantasy, Mystery/Thriller) has more votes than either of its two single categories, then its two single categories are disqualified. If either single category has more votes than its combined category, then its combined category is disqualified.

    Once we have our twelve categories then Dazrin (or Tom) will sort them into appropriate months and that’s that.
  8. No, let's get rid of three low voter turnout categories, posts 67, 19, 20, 23.
    Here is the description:
    Spoiler:
    One vote to come up with the three relegated categories from the 6 lowest voter turnout categories, one nomination period for potential sub-in categories and one vote to find three categories to put in. Order is up to whomever is running the club. That order would allow people to see what is moving out which may affect what they might like to see before nominating new categories and voting them in.
  9. No, let's do something else. Explain your response in the comments, be specific.
What's next you ask? We won't know for sure until the poll is over since several of the options require additional voting; but here is what should happen: I will take the lead if item B, E, or G is chosen; items A, D and F are pretty much decided so don't require additional follow-up; and someone else will be asked to take the lead if C, H or I is chosen.For item I specifically... the reason this poll is visible is so that if the last item wins we can out whoever votes for it and one of them can take the lead.

Note for option D, the version with "historical fiction" in place of "not modern fiction (year 1999 and earlier)" had much more support and was intended to be the poll, I missed that when posting the poll originally. The spoiler shows the as-intended version now.

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Old 08-17-2014, 10:49 AM   #2
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Just posting to keep the poll visible. Hope we have good participation.
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I voted for B, D, E and G, but my vote for D is contingent on "Not Modern Fiction" being replaced with "Historical Fiction".
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I voted for B, D, E and G, but my vote for D is contingent on "Not Modern Fiction" being replaced with "Historical Fiction".
Historical fiction can have been written any time and is a specific genre. Not modern fiction is a specific year on back and can be any type of book. Big difference there.
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Historical fiction can have been written any time and is a specific genre. Not modern fiction is a specific year on back and can be any type of book. Big difference there.
Historical fiction is a genre that I would like to see as an option for the book club. That's why I have only voted for selection options that allow it to be potentially selected.
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Historical fiction is a genre that I would like to see as an option for the book club. That's why I have only voted for selection options that allow it to be potentially selected.
If you want historical fiction, another category has to be swapped. You cannot sawp not modern fiction as they would spoil modern fiction. If we have science fiction, we also need fantasy. Classic is wanted by a lot so that has to stay. A lot like romance so it stays too. Mystery is liked as well. Anything goes is a fun category so it stays. Second chance is well liked so it stays. Humor is liked as well. The only one possibly to be swapped is Suspense/Thriller, but since you wanted it in place of MR Library, it stays. There isn't any place for specifically historical fiction. But, what you can do is in the categories where some sort of historical fiction will fit, nominate it. There is a lot of months it fits. There is at least 5 months it could fit in and in second chance if historical fiction comes in second, then it gets another chance. Oh and nonfiction is liked too much to be swapped as well.
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I'm the one who wanted thriller/suspense instead of mr library. I wouldn't object to having historical fiction in place of <1999. Might make the list more attractve to a larger group.

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I'm the one who wanted thriller/suspense instead of mr library. I wouldn't object to having historical fiction in place of <1999. Might make the list more attractve to a larger group.

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Problem is, if we dump not modern fiction, then modern fiction makes little to no sense to have so that would have to be dumped as well. So we'd then have to change two categories instead of just one. However, we could change not modern fiction MR Library and modern fiction for historical fiction (written 2000 or later) but the subject matter can be about any time at all.

I think we'd have to have a vote on this if the list wins as is since I don't know how many who are voting for this list want to change things.
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Isn't there an error in the description for choice D? Post 67 should be removed from the reference posts.

I'm assuming since Post 46 is the last referenced post, this will be the list and the controversy of "Not modern fiction" vs. "Historical Fiction" will be determined by the normal nomination/voting.

Although I wish the ambiguities were worked out before this poll was posted, I'm most likely going to vote for D.

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Isn't there an error in the description for choice D? Post 67 should be removed from the reference posts.

I'm assuming since Post 46 is the last referenced post, this will be the list and the controversy of "Not modern fiction" vs. "Historical Fiction" will be determined by the normal nomination/voting.

Although I wish the ambiguities were worked out before this poll was posted, I'm most likely going to vote for D.
It wasn't brought up until after the voting was started. No way to make changes to the categories now that the voting has started.
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It wasn't brought up until after the voting was started. No way to make changes to the categories now that the voting has started.
It was brought up in Post 46, before voting started.
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It was brought up in Post 46, before voting started.
And discussed in the other thread before this poll was started, with no objections, so Historical Fiction it is.
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Isn't there an error in the description for choice D? Post 67 should be removed from the reference posts.

I'm assuming since Post 46 is the last referenced post, this will be the list and the controversy of "Not modern fiction" vs. "Historical Fiction" will be determined by the normal nomination/voting.
Sorry for any confusion. I see 2 errors in the first post, both my fault.
1) The linked post should be the last post in the discussion thread that discussed that particular option. The error that I see in it is that it should reference post 72, not post 67 (post 67 is for option H and is linked there.) I had a copy/paste error when I linked to post 67, the link is correct but the text is incorrect.

2) It does appear that the list changed between post 46 and post 72 though. What several people wanted was "historical fiction" not "not modern fiction". That was the list that had consensus. I thought that post 72 was just a cleaned up list, not a different one, and missed the change. I should have either made it a separate item or asked for clarification. Because the list in post 46 had agreement from multiple people (posts 46, 49, 50, 51, 59) whereas only one person wanted "not modern fiction" (posts 37 and 72).

I have updated the first post to use the earlier list, not the one in post 72 and made the change clear in the OP.

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Although I wish the ambiguities were worked out before this poll was posted, I'm most likely going to vote for D.
You and me both. We had over a month to discuss and most of the comments only came in the last few days AFTER I said I would do a poll. We went from a few options to 9 and made it much more complicated.

Again, I am sorry for any confusion.

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You and me both. We had over a month to discuss and most of the comments only came in the last few days AFTER I said I would do a poll. We went from a few options to 9 and made it much more complicated.

Again, I am sorry for any confusion.
Thank you for doing the poll.
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Originally Posted by Dazrin View Post
I have updated the first post to use the earlier list, not the one in post 72 and made the change clear in the OP.
The last list I posted is the list. Any other list is a list in progress. So please put back the list as it was in post #72. IThe problem as I pointed out is that by removing "not modern fiction" ruins "modern fiction".

Now I 100% give my approval for remove classic or romance for "historical fiction". But good luck getting that by the majority.

Besides, there's no reason to nominate something that is "historical fiction" in a number of other categories where it would fit fine. There would be 6 months where you could fit in something that's "historical fiction" just like I could put in SF in eight months not including the SF month.

The problem with changing the list is that it's now not how we voted for it. We didn't vote on a list that has "historical fiction" My vote has been violated. So please put it back to the way we voted. If it wins, we can discuss if there's a good month to drop in place of "historical fiction". But "not modern fiction" is not it because it has to be there to go with "modern fiction".

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