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Old 11-15-2013, 04:39 PM   #91
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Of course. That is exactly what I do.
My point was that this was another area where hoops had to be jumped through.

Anyway, I'm glad it works for you. I think the discourse has helped illustrate the benefits and disadvadvantages of Chromebooks and cloud computing in general.

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Because I've heard of quite some people who place all of their trust in one single company or type of technology lose a lot of stuff. Haven't you heard of something.....Do a search and see.

I suggest you worry about your own self and systems.....sounds like you have quite a lot to worry about on your own with having to worry about everyone else as well.
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Google is always nagging to use your own name on YouTube. They are nagging to get a Google+ account for YouTube, and have made it obligatory for Android if you want to leave app reviews. They're connecting GMail, Google+, YouTube, Docs, and Drive; "all of your data in one place".
You do not have to use your real name to leave reviews in the Play store. Go look at some of the recent reviews. Many don't use real names. I don't use my real name. One review I just saw was from "A Google User."

I won't buy a Chromebook not because it's from Google or because they mine data or incorporate cloud computing ... but rather because it can't run many programs I regularly rely on like Photoshop.

But I give Google a lot of credit for developing the thing which I think has a lot of appeal to some, especially older people who may only need to browse the web or do email.

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You do not have to use your real name to leave reviews in the Play store. Go look at some of the recent reviews. Many don't use real names. I don't use my real name. One review I just saw was from "A Google User."

I won't buy a Chromebook not because it's from Google or because they mine data or incorporate cloud computing ... but rather because it can't run many programs I regularly rely on like Photoshop.

But I give Google a lot of credit for developing the thing which I think has a lot of appeal to some, especially older people who may only need to browse the web or do email.

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Yep. To each his own.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:06 PM   #95
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You do not have to use your real name to leave reviews in the Play store. Go look at some of the recent reviews. Many don't use real names. I don't use my real name. One review I just saw was from "A Google User."

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If you could tell me how to do that, I'd appreciate it. I thought I read the "Google user" thing was only for reviews posted before the g+ policy. G+ is one thing about Google I do not like and will not subscribe to.
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One aspect of the conversation that seems to get lost routinely: A Chromebox can easily be turned into an inexpensive Linux laptop. Wouldn't that resolve the privacy issue for those of us who care?

The snag that remains for me is the internal storage limitation. If I could add an SSD drive or even an mSD card, then everything would be parsnips. Sadly, I can't, so I'll probably wait for a discontinued ultrabook and dual-boot into Linux with that.

I used to love how quiet the Ubuntu environment was for writing. Nothing nagged you, unlike Windows, and the UI was gloriously unobtrusive.

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If you could tell me how to do that, I'd appreciate it. I thought I read the "Google user" thing was only for reviews posted before the g+ policy. G+ is one thing about Google I do not like and will not subscribe to.
Well, I don't think you can get around the requirement of registering for G+ to leave reviews. What I did was simply put in another name when I registered. You can put in anything you want into the first and last name fields. It didn't impact any other part of Google that I use (gMail or Play store purchases) and you can always change it later if you find it does. When registering, also input as little information as possible. Once you register, the app isn't obtrusive in any way. No notifications or anything else. It just lets you do Play store reviews. I assume "A Google User" and those others clearly not using their real names did the same thing I did, but I don't know that for sure.

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Old 11-16-2013, 12:25 PM   #98
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One aspect of the conversation that seems to get lost routinely: A Chromebox can easily be turned into an inexpensive Linux laptop. Wouldn't that resolve the privacy issue for those of us who care?
Not lost around here, certainly not lost in my post earlier when I mentioned this is exactly what I do.
But that's really not relevant to the conversation, because then the device is no longer a Chromebook in terms of system/solution. It's just a re-purpose of the hardware, like saying Coke is a good cola because the bottles can be used as plant watering devices.

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The snag that remains for me is the internal storage limitation. If I could add an SSD drive or even an mSD card, then everything would be parsnips.
You can. Many folks replace the storage device in their Chromebook, and/or augment it with an SD card.

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I used to love how quiet the Ubuntu environment was for writing. Nothing nagged you, unlike Windows, and the UI was gloriously unobtrusive.
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That must have something to do with your configuration, or the software you run. Windows, or any software I have installed, doesn't nag me either, except on Wednesday after 17:00.

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If you could tell me how to do that, I'd appreciate it. I thought I read the "Google user" thing was only for reviews posted before the g+ policy. G+ is one thing about Google I do not like and will not subscribe to.
It is. "A Google User" is a generic username for reviews written before G+ became mandatory.

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Not lost around here, certainly not lost in my post earlier when I mentioned this is exactly what I do.
Hence my use of the phrase part of the conversation that gets lost as opposed to, say, idea that was never mentioned. A topic that gets lost is one that gets overlooked, not one that has yet to be introduced.

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But that's really not relevant to the conversation, because then the device is no longer a Chromebook in terms of system/solution. It's just a re-purpose of the hardware, like saying Coke is a good cola because the bottles can be used as plant watering devices.
First, this is Mobile Read and tangents are not only allowed but welcome. Second, this is anything but a tangent.

By your logic, if repurposing hardware is irrelevant to discussions of an actual device, then no one in the B&N forums could recommend a rooted Nook, nor Kobo readers focus on custom patches for the Aura, nor Galaxy, Fire or Nexus users talk about running custom ROMs. Chromebook hardware has everything to do with its viability for people who object to aspects of the Chrome OS itself. I might want to visit Chrome on occasion without actually living within it day to day.

The article focuses on the software and so, for the most part, have we. But the topic is Chromebooks, not Chrome, so the laptop's ability to run Linux is not only worth noting but relevant.

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You can. Many folks replace the storage device in their Chromebook, and/or augment it with an SD card.
Good to ken. I hadn't read anything about Chromebooks being easy to take apart or having space to add additional storage. Since a Chromebook might only have 16-32GB internal storage, it doesn't necessarily follow there would space for a proper SSD inside unless someone like you confirmed it.

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That must have something to do with your configuration, or the software you run. Windows, or any software I have installed, doesn't nag me either, except on Wednesday after 17:00.
It was characteristic of XP (which is what my netbook used) to ask constantly to upgrade or install items at inconvenient times -- as you were starting up Word or shutting down Windows, for example. Microsoft was an earnest relative who always banged on your bedroom door and never quite grasped you were wearing headphones and wanted to be left alone.

You might have been able to disable notifications or set them up, but MS was clearly hoping you never did. Whereas Ubuntu simply looked minimal, functioned reliably and left you alone from the get.

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If you're talking about the taskbar bubbles in Windows XP, then you're right and I agree.

The guy that thought those up should be shot... along with the guy that decided to hide file extensions by default. I can't help wonder if they're the same fool. One actually NEEDED to get PowerToys onto a new rig ASAP to disable these things, or you would be swamped in bubbles and baffled about which file was which for weeks to come.

With Vista and 7 the bubbles are much less, but the file extension hiding persists...

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Hence my use of the phrase part of the conversation that gets lost as opposed to, say, idea that was never mentioned. A topic that gets lost is one that gets overlooked, not one that has yet to be introduced.
Consider the possibility that it was not overlooked, but rather not pursued because it was not considered relevant.


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Consider the idea that my disagreeing with you is not the same as me saying your post was not appropriate, and that maybe the attitude is uncalled for.
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But the topic is Chromebooks, not Chrome, so the laptop's ability to run Linux is not only worth noting but relevant.
I stated why I think participants in the thread may not find it relevant: It seems to be becsuse the conversation has been about the cloud-based Chromebook system. Not inappropriate, not overlooked, merely not what folks were talking about.
Obviously I think it is a very nice, investment preserving factor in buying a Chrome book.

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Good to ken. I hadn't read anything about Chromebooks being easy to take apart or having space to add additional storage. Since a Chromebook might only have 16-32GB internal storage, it doesn't necessarily follow there would space for a proper SSD inside unless someone like you confirmed it.
Yeah, between big fast SSDs and extra memory, some seem to have turned their Chromebooks into Linux ultrabooks.
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Not lost around here, certainly not lost in my post earlier when I mentioned this is exactly what I do.
But that's really not relevant to the conversation, because then the device is no longer a Chromebook in terms of system/solution. It's just a re-purpose of the hardware, like saying Coke is a good cola because the bottles can be used as plant watering devices.

You can. Many folks replace the storage device in their Chromebook, and/or augment it with an SD card.

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As I wait for the "right" Chromebook for myself, having bought my wife one already, I did "convert" an old Dell Laptop with a 30GB HDD into a Chromebook.

Just to try it out.
Maybe I should try Ubuntu too.

... just too little time.
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My interest in ChromeOS isn't necessarily because I want to own and use a Chromebook, but because I saw some potential in developing for the OS if it really started to go bonkers.

Actually ChromeOS is the reason I started learning HTML5 and web development in general. My interest has broadened into cross-platform app development rather than just developing for ChromeOS, but I haven't lost site of my original ideas.

ChromeOS couldn't replace what I feel I need as a user at this time. But that doesn't mean I can't see the point. I'm still interested to see just how far Google wants to go with ChromeOS especially as far as it relates to Android.

But for me, as long as Windows8, Tizen, FirefoxOS, ChromeOS, Android, iOS, Blackberry 10 and web application development can all be powered by HTML, CSS, Javascript etc.. I'm thrilled.
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Not a big fan of ChromeOS either, but saying other's people choice is crap because it don't fill YOUR need is just stupid.
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