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Old 07-15-2013, 11:01 PM   #31
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My main complaint with my mini is the phone-app rendering mode, which looks like it'll get upgraded in iOS 7 anyway. (Short form: the rendering mode is currently blockier than it needs to be.) If that's true, I'll be a happy guy; a Retina mini would have a higher pixel density than I need, at the expense of battery life. I saw the same problem when I went from my iPod touch 3 to 4; it looked nice, but the battery life was abysmal.
I am experiencing better battery life on my retina iPad 4 than my non-retina iPad 2.

My iPod touch 4 had battery issues with a particular point release of iOS 4 and then again on a point release of iOS 5. But on the latest version of 5, my iPod touch is running fine....even 3 years later.
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I am experiencing better battery life on my retina iPad 4 than my non-retina iPad 2.
That's because Apple nearly doubled the battery I believe. iPad 3 was heavier and very slightly thicker than the iPad 2, iirc, and the slight increase in weight already gave them a lot of flak. The iPad Mini is fairly lightweight for its size and has exceptional battery life. Maintaining both while adding a power hungry retina display and a faster GPU to support the increased resolution would be quite a difficult feat (at least with current technology and processes).

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My iPod touch 4 had battery issues with a particular point release of iOS 4 and then again on a point release of iOS 5. But on the latest version of 5, my iPod touch is running fine....even 3 years later.
Used as an ebook reader (even with display set to the dimmest setting), the iPod Touch 4th gen had pretty abysmal battery life particularly when compared to the iPhone 4. Sure, you get pretty long battery life for music playback but with the screen on, I get just around 4-6 hours (which is, thankfully, more than enough time to have my iPhone fully charged).
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Added new devices (as rumoured screen spec) for comparison purposes.
For me the difference between the 169 ppi of the Nook Tablet and the 216 ppi of the kindle fire hd is noticeable but not a huge deal. I don't think i'd be able to notice the difference between a 1080p 7 inch screen and a 720p screen, although i'd have to use a 1080p device before i could be sure.
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That's because Apple nearly doubled the battery I believe. iPad 3 was heavier and very slightly thicker than the iPad 2, iirc, and the slight increase in weight already gave them a lot of flak. The iPad Mini is fairly lightweight for its size and has exceptional battery life. Maintaining both while adding a power hungry retina display and a faster GPU to support the increased resolution would be quite a difficult feat (at least with current technology and processes).
I think the ipad mini partially compensates for its inferior resolution with a larger screen size, which allows for bigger text while still maintaining a comparable number of words per page as the seven inch devices. Despite its larger screen, the imini is lighter than any of the smaller hd tablets, another advantage that should not be underestimated and that could not be achieved if it had a higher resolution screen.

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Even without a retina screen, iPad mini 2 could improve with a faster cpu and shaving a few millimeters.

I would still like to see a retina version for comparison at least. What will the tradeoffs be?

It is the mini form factor that I like, and which nobody has duplicated yet, much to my disappointment. I do not object to much about the price, if it meets my requirements, I will be using it for a long time. If not, it is a waste of money even if it is cheaper, because I'll have to get something else.

I am pretty vendor neutral at this point. Just waiting for the right thing to show up.
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For me the difference between the 169 ppi of the Nook Tablet and the 216 ppi of the kindle fire hd is noticeable but not a huge deal. I don't think i'd be able to notice the difference between a 1080p 7 inch screen and a 720p screen, although i'd have to use a 1080p device before i could be sure.
I used your post to try to notice a difference between my iPad mini and the nook HD on display at a B&N store. The quality was barely noticeable between the two even though the nook has much better PPI.

I doubt the new nexus will matter either.

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I used your post to try to notice a difference between my iPad mini and the nook HD on display at a B&N store. The quality was barely noticeable between the two even though the nook has much better PPI.

I doubt the new nexus will matter either.
I don't know the mini, but the difference between the ipad2 and the nook HD is abysmal. And the new nexus will have roughly double the PPI of the mini, so I doubt it will be "barely noticeable".
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I'm not sure why some get so bent out of shape when others have issues with device screens, be it a Kindle Paperwhite or a Mac Mini. Everyone's eyesight is unique to them, so some will be fine with a screen and some will have issues.
Ditto that! MeSue, thanks for sharing this article and I will be disappointed too if it turns out to be true. The current iPad Mini just isn't good enough for me even though I really want one. I was mostly happy with my original Nook Color and then Kindle Fire when they first came out. However, now that I am used to my iPhone4 and iPad4 displays, I just can't tolerate those other devices for reading text. I recently bought a Nook HD due to the big discounts. I have liked reading on it thus far. Although sometimes my eyes have difficulty adjusting immediately when I switch between the tablet and an eink reader. But, I would still prefer an iPad mini over the Nook HD if they would only improve the screen.
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I used your post to try to notice a difference between my iPad mini and the nook HD on display at a B&N store. The quality was barely noticeable between the two even though the nook has much better PPI.

I doubt the new nexus will matter either.
I think under certain conditions, the differences are noticeable, but for the way most people use their tablets it would not be.

For instance, i am creating this post with the kindle fire hd and a nook tablet with cm7 for the previous two posts. For reading a forum like mobileread the differences are pretty noticeable; the text looks blurry and coarse on the nook, although it is still readable, whereas text is sharp and smooth on the fire. The differences is quite noticeable.

Netflix movies actually look better on my nook tablet than on my fire, although to be fair netflix does not stream movies at hd resolution afaik. But if i compare an hd movie from amazon instant video to the same movie on netflix, the difference is usually only noticeable where there are closeups on faces.

For kindle books, text looks more jagged on the nook than on the kindle, although the jaggedness of the text is less noticeable the bigger i make the text. If the screen was bigger on the nook, which is the case with the mini, i could make the text bigger without sacrificing words per screen. However, even with the slight jaggedness of the text, i'd have no problem reading for extended periods of time on the nook tablet. Then again, i used to read on the ebookwise 1150 which had dot matrix text, so my standards are probably very low.

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For kindle books, text looks more jagged on the nook than on the kindle, although the jaggedness of the text is less noticeable the bigger i make the text. If the screen was bigger on the nook, which is the case with the mini, i could make the text bigger without sacrificing words per screen. However, even with the slight jaggedness of the text, i'd have no problem reading for extended periods of time on the nook tablet. Then again, i used to read on the ebookwise 1150 which had dot matrix text, so my standards are probably very low.
I hate jaggies. That's the main reason I almost never used my iPad 2 for web browsing and fiction ebooks (preferred the iPhone 4). There were times I won't use the iPad 2 for a month or so. The iPad with Retina, I use everyday. It's become my preferred device for web browsing.

Really, retina or non-retina I think boils down to individual preferences (and eyesight).
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I hate jaggies. That's the main reason I almost never used my iPad 2 for web browsing and fiction ebooks (preferred the iPhone 4). There were times I won't use the iPad 2 for a month or so. The iPad with Retina, I use everyday. It's become my preferred device for web browsing.

Really, retina or non-retina I think boils down to individual preferences (and eyesight).
Jaggies are nothing that good marketing can't fix. They provide an edgier and more rugged reading experience.
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Even without a retina screen, iPad mini 2 could improve with a faster cpu and shaving a few millimeters.

I would still like to see a retina version for comparison at least. What will the tradeoffs be?
The biggest downside to a retina screen is the MUCH higher power consumption, so you either end up with a significantly shorter battery life, or a bigger battery and hence a heavier device. That's what happened between the iPad 2 and the iPad 3. The iPad 3 is significantly heavier than the 2 due to its larger (hence heavier) battery.

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The biggest downside to a retina screen is the MUCH higher power consumption, so you either end up with a significantly shorter battery life, or a bigger battery and hence a heavier device. That's what happened between the iPad 2 and the iPad 3. The iPad 3 is significantly heavier than the 2 due to its larger (hence heavier) battery.
I would probably find that tradeoff (better screen, heavier device) acceptable. I think Apple prioritizes thinness and lightness a little too much in some cases. My iPod Touch for example has pathetic battery life. Wish it had a bigger battery.
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I would probably find that tradeoff (better screen, heavier device) acceptable. I think Apple prioritizes thinness and lightness a little too much in some cases. My iPod Touch for example has pathetic battery life. Wish it had a bigger battery.
Yes, I agree. I think Apple made the right choice with the iPad in preserving battery life at the expense of weight.
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The iPad 3 is significantly heavier than the 2 due to its larger (hence heavier) battery.
The iPad 3 only weighs 0.11 lbs or 1.75 oz or 8% more than iPad 2, which is not significantly heavier, but it is noticeable.

If Apple does not bring a retina display they are going to lose much more marketshare to android imo.
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