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Old 04-18-2013, 04:06 PM   #16
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I too confirm that not using named entities is a wise decision, as they are not going along with a couple of Reading Systems.

(Also, named entities can be converted into numeric entities with 5 lines of Python, for example.)
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:54 AM   #17
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Can you give examples of those Reading Systems?
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:33 AM   #18
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I remember that I personally saw some problems with Onyx devices due to an earlier version of crengine not supporting them; they later fixed the issue. Plus, on a non-RS side, I run into a similar problem with a tool for R/W EPUB in a plugin for a CMS.

I admit: it is not a common problem, but I would rather be on the conservative side, as long as it can be done "cheaply".
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:12 PM   #19
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I haven't seen that request from Kobo and it sounds a bit silly though. It is much easier to type (and remember...) the named HTML entities than their number equivalent.
It is buried in their sketchy vendor guide (attached). Page 5 in one of the lists. I think the reason is once everyone moves to EPUB3 and HTML5, decimal is the standard, not character entities.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:14 PM   #20
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It is buried in their sketchy vendor guide (attached). Page 5 in one of the lists. I think the reason is once everyone moves to EPUB3 and HTML5, decimal is the standard, not character entities.
I am changing this to post the link rather than the file:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vendor%27s...obo.pdfhttp://

Thanks for pointing this out!

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Old 04-19-2013, 12:26 PM   #21
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I remember that I personally saw some problems with Onyx devices due to an earlier version of crengine not supporting them; they later fixed the issue. Plus, on a non-RS side, I run into a similar problem with a tool for R/W EPUB in a plugin for a CMS.

I admit: it is not a common problem, but I would rather be on the conservative side, as long as it can be done "cheaply".
Definitely a good practice. I never use character entities.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:47 PM   #22
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Pedantic comment: in that document, they use the term "decimal entities", but I guess they meant "numeric entities" (i.e., decimal or hexadecimal) --- as I rememeber some of their examples containing hexadecimal entities.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:20 PM   #23
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Sorry, didn't attach!
I love the fact tht it contains the following:
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This document contains confidential and proprietary information of Kobo Inc. Its receipt or possession does not convey any ownership rights therein, or any rights to reproduce or disclose its contents or to manufacture, use, or sell it or anything it may describe. Reproduction, disclosure, or use without specific written authorization of Kobo Inc. is strictly forbidden. Kobo Inc. reserves the right to update this document without notice to its client vendors unless otherwise agreed to.
You sure you have the rights to post this here?
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:34 PM   #24
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OK, be honest here, who knows the numeric entities for the following...

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I know that one because I often use it for apostrophes (when I want to make them difference from a real closing single quote).
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Good point. Specifications tend to use their own terms. I guess decimal and numeric mean the same thing!
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Changed to link - thank's for pointing out, Peter.
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Am I sounding pedantic? Sorry if I am....just wanted to share the pitfalls that I have encountered...
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OK, be honest here, who knows the numeric entities for the following...

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http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_entities.asp

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http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_entities.asp

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I am sure JSWolf knows how to look them up but his point was that you could code the names by memory but no one is likely to memorize the numbers as they are arbitrary without any intrinsic intelligence.

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