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Old 09-08-2008, 12:10 PM   #46
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Hmmm... after reading this entire thread, I'm with Kovid here. The thread began with a question about indexing the books on this site, then moved to "what about a tool to organize/index MY books", and one suggestion was, "use Calibre, that's what it does".

To claim that Calibre discussion is off-topic, then, is silly. I very much like Calibre and think it might well be my book indexing/organization tool of choice. I understand the urge to write software, being a coder myself, but have you considered offering your SQL skills to Kovid?

Frankly, I don't care where the books are stored, as long as I can back them up. I want to find particular titles, sort my collection various ways, have a nice search mechanism, a color scheme or tagging scheme I can customize (original format, original source, on the Reader or not, already read, paper version only, etc.). If the best way to do that is to copy all your books to a central location, that's fine with me. I think Kovid's question, to paraphrase, "why do you care about folders?" is cogent. If the software lets you interact with the books, who cares what folder organization is used?

I'll be very interested in what you come up with, but I'm equally interested in existing tools.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:11 PM   #47
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hey now, let's both of you calm down. kovid, i think netslut has made it clear he appreciates the usefulness of calibre and in fact he uses it himself. no-one is questioning that. if he wants to write his own indexing tool because he has different priority (and lots of time on his hands), i would think that would be a good thing. and as igorsk has said, a little competition can be a good thing. presumably he has specific needs which are not met by calibre. netslut's app might turn out to be complementary to calibre, or completely different. either way there's no reason he shouldn't try it out. let's try not to let this get personal, okay ? both of you. no-one is in the wrong here and there's no reason for tempers to flare up.

now shake hands, go back to your corners, both of you, and come out coding ! and preferably with a smile on your face !

edit : and what taylor said is quite valid as well. thanks taylor.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:14 PM   #49
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exactly. that's what i was trying to say.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:25 PM   #50
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<sigh> ...and the only reason things are proceeding at this rate is because you seem to be insisting that yours is the only worthwhile program out there, and can do no wrong.

I have a really simple premise here: I just want a tool to index things for me. I don't want it to convert stuff. I don't want it to corrupt my device. I don't want it to look like a blind three-year-old wrote the GUI, and I don't want it to perform like a mangy dog when it gets just 10k entries.

Honestly, if you can't do better than that, you should quit and go and become a bricklayer.
Try not to be rude, it gives people a higher opinion of your intelligence.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:30 PM   #51
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exactly. that's what i was trying to say.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:38 PM   #52
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Try not to be rude, it gives people a higher opinion of your intelligence.
Kovid, with all due respect, your comments are coming across as somewhat rude as well. I'm with Zelda. I think this exchange could be more constructive if it calms down a bit.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:47 PM   #53
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If I have been rude, it was unintentional, and I apologize. I wish NetSlut all the best in his endeavors to create an indexing program.
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Old 09-08-2008, 12:55 PM   #54
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Hmmm... after reading this entire thread, I'm with Kovid here. The thread began with a question about indexing the books on this site, then moved to "what about a tool to organize/index MY books", and one suggestion was, "use Calibre, that's what it does".

To claim that Calibre discussion is off-topic, then, is silly.
You're right.

I wasn't clear in my intentions, and I apologise to all for that.

Calibre doesn't do what I want. I know this is true, because I've used it and because of the discussion here.

I want a tool to do what I want. I also know this is true ;-)

Given those two statements, I'd like this thread to discuss any features other people would like to see in a tool of this sort.

I think that because this tool is more specialised than Calibre, it can co-exist peacefully. And, again, I want to say that I *like* Calibre. I like it converting stuff for me, and I plan to continue using it. I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to replace because really, truly, I've no intention of doing that.

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I understand the urge to write software, being a coder myself, but have you considered offering your SQL skills to Kovid?
I thought about it; I concluded that modifying someone else's code, especially when it's known to be sub-optimal, and trying to modify their architecture, and to introduce features that I consider to be important, just isn't feasible in this instance. If I write the tool myself, I can proceed at my own pace and prioritise things that I think are important.

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Frankly, I don't care where the books are stored, as long as I can back them up. [...] If the best way to do that is to copy all your books to a central location, that's fine with me. I think Kovid's question, to paraphrase, "why do you care about folders?" is cogent. If the software lets you interact with the books, who cares what folder organization is used?
I think this is one of my fundamental points. I believe that some people *do* have a strong preference for the manner of their organisation. I have two separate methods myself; I know that some people prefer to use the Dewey Decimal System. We've heard how other people store their books in this thread. The reason we store them like this is frequently just because this makes sense to us, but sometimes, it's like an OCD ability; it *must* be put there, because that's what it belongs :-p

More than that, I believe users should have the ability to *choose* how they want it done. If they don't want to move things at all, great. If they want it organised by first letter of the third word, they should be allowed to.

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I want to find particular titles, sort my collection various ways, have a nice search mechanism, a color scheme or tagging scheme I can customize (original format, original source, on the Reader or not, already read, paper version only, etc.).
Now that's exactly the kind of thing I want.

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I'll be very interested in what you come up with, but I'm equally interested in existing tools.
I totally agree; the only reason for doing this, in the end, is to have more choice over how we want things to be done.
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Steal our girlfriends and there might be some muttering going on; but talk about our code and there's hell to pay!



I'm sorry, Kovid, I genuinely don't mean to be rude about you or Calibre. Long may you continue to provide us all with such a useful program!
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(even the scary one).
It's the lampshade that does it, right?

I knew I should have gone for the pastel green one...
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I'm sorry, Kovid, I genuinely don't mean to be rude about you or Calibre. Long may you continue to provide us all with such a useful program!
Cool, and best of luck with your work...
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Old 09-08-2008, 01:04 PM   #58
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aw, it just warms the cockles of me heart to see the two of you kiss and make up. that's the spirit ! bravo.

very well explained, netslut, i think your intentions are quite clear now and i'm sure everyone can understand.

and kovid, thanks too for not getting too overheated and calming down in time ! it's not always easy.

netslut, i can't wait to see what you come up with, and kovid, despite the glaring absence of a sony liseuse in my life i'm *still* going to take a look at calibre because it sounds like it has some features which could be really useful to me nonetheless.
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And don't think I don't see you sneaking in "liseuse", Zelda. I think we're calling them "Freedom Books" over here.

Sorry... let's now resume the actual discussion. I like the idea of "Views" or "Filters". Show me all books I haven't read. Now show me all books I've read and want to review. Show me all books currently on my Freedom Reader (heh). Show me all books I bought from Sony and haven't read.

The ability to create one's own categories, in a simple and straightforward manner, then, would be key.
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pffff !!! espèce d'énergumène !! don't you have an email you should be writing ?

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Sorry... let's now resume the actual discussion. I like the idea of "Views" or "Filters". Show me all books I haven't read. Now show me all books I've read and want to review. Show me all books currently on my Freedom Reader (heh). Show me all books I bought from Sony and haven't read.

The ability to create one's own categories, in a simple and straightforward manner, then, would be key.
those are also features which would be really useful to me. netslut, are you writing this down ?
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