Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Software > Sigil

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-30-2013, 02:51 PM   #1
lipstick
Junior Member
lipstick began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 9
Karma: 10
Join Date: Mar 2013
Device: none
beginner's question re text display/font sizes

My first question here & first Sigil question. I'm no techie. Instead, I'm a novelist and just opened a professionally formatted epub file for one of my books. Although the book looks great on Kindle, Nook etc, the font size displayed in Sigil is so small as to be sub-microscopic. I can't find any reference to correcting this in the manual. What do I need to do to increase the size enough so it's readable?

Right now, as I'm just beginning, all I want to do is edit some back matter links & delete some old cover images.

Thank you for help and hand-holding as I get started with Sigil.
lipstick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2013, 03:02 PM   #2
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,497
Karma: 5567061
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Quote:
Originally Posted by lipstick View Post
My first question here & first Sigil question. I'm no techie. Instead, I'm a novelist and just opened a professionally formatted epub file for one of my books. Although the book looks great on Kindle, Nook etc, the font size displayed in Sigil is so small as to be sub-microscopic. I can't find any reference to correcting this in the manual. What do I need to do to increase the size enough so it's readable?

Right now, as I'm just beginning, all I want to do is edit some back matter links & delete some old cover images.

Thank you for help and hand-holding as I get started with Sigil.
Since the file is supposed to be ready-to-go
Use the slider in the lower right to change size (this make NO change in the book, only the view)

If you think the book is less than prime time, attach the CSS (you will need to add TXT to the end of the filename for MR to allow upload (eg styles.css.txt) for someone to look at. We may need a partial.sample chapter.
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2013, 04:02 PM   #3
mrmikel
Book Twiddler
mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.mrmikel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 1,996
Karma: 1405001
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Central Oregon Coast
Device: PRS-300
I typically have to set the viewer at 130% to be comfortable on my screen.
mrmikel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2013, 06:36 PM   #4
Tex2002ans
Evangelist
Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 461
Karma: 360271
Join Date: Jul 2012
Device: Nook
I would recommend exactly what theducks said (just changing the magnification slider in Sigil's bottom right corner).

If you have no HTML/CSS knowledge, it would most likely be very tough for you to fix the actual code throughout the entire book.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lipstick View Post
Although the book looks great on Kindle, Nook etc, the font size displayed in Sigil is so small as to be sub-microscopic.
Most likely the reason the text is so small on Sigil is this nonsense/frustrating CSS some conversion companies typically use.

I ripped this CSS right out of one of the converted books that I recently got my hands on:

Code:
p.indent{
	font-size:small;
	margin-bottom:0em;
	margin-top:0em;
	text-align:justify;
	text-indent:2em;
}

h1.chn{
	text-indent: 0em;
	font-size: x-large;
	font-weight: bold;
	margin-left:0em;
	margin-top:4em;
	padding-bottom:1.2em;
	text-align: left;
}
Every single class seems to use "font-size: x-small, small, medium, large, x-large" throughout the entire book.... which quite often leads to some confusing spaghetti code (trying to fix one error with the CSS causes many more problems, and it becomes tough to find the exact cause of the problem).

Quote:
Originally Posted by lipstick View Post
Right now, as I'm just beginning, all I want to do is edit some back matter links & delete some old cover images.
Good luck, if you happen to need any more help, please post more questions.
Tex2002ans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2013, 07:23 PM   #5
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,497
Karma: 5567061
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
I set a base font for the Body:
Everything else is Relative to that (which those sizes are NOT).
Code:
body {
    display: block;
    font-family: Charis, "Times New Roman", Verdana, Arial;
    font-size: 1.2em;
    margin-top: 0;
    margin-left: 2pt;
    margin-right: 16pt;
    margin-bottom: 0;
    page-break-before: always;
    text-align: justify;
}
For the most part, I only set (additional) margins,indents,font style and weight in the other classes

Set up a Body, Blow away/comment out (/* this is a disabled line */) all those other font-size lines
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 03:23 AM   #6
Jellby
frumious Bandersnatch
Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Jellby's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,086
Karma: 4571547
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spaniard in Sweden
Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura
Quote:
Originally Posted by theducks View Post
I set a base font for the Body:
Everything else is Relative to that (which those sizes are NOT).
Code:
body {
    display: block;
    font-family: Charis, "Times New Roman", Verdana, Arial;
    font-size: 1.2em;
    margin-top: 0;
    margin-left: 2pt;
    margin-right: 16pt;
    margin-bottom: 0;
    page-break-before: always;
    text-align: justify;
}
I believe you shouldn't set the font size in the body. The above code actually says that default size will be 120% of the font chosen by the user... Why should a book change the user-selected font size?
Jellby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:02 AM   #7
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,497
Karma: 5567061
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellby View Post
I believe you shouldn't set the font size in the body. The above code actually says that default size will be 120% of the font chosen by the user... Why should a book change the user-selected font size?
Because it gets around ADE's stupidity
because Calibre's rescale ALSO uses the body to set the visual (size) tone.
Because I am not a EPUB purist .

If I leave it at 1 (or not there), the (margin) Page Numbers are the same size as the text AND it SMEARS into the last 3 letters on a line (the reason for asymmetrical margins)


Which would look visually better? (123 is the ADE supplied page number)
lastwords 123
or
lastwords 123 (zoom setting 3 emulated)
Setting a base in the body does not prevent user intervention at the device (but device intervention also affect the device supplied text. This way I control the size balance)
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:18 AM   #8
Jellby
frumious Bandersnatch
Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Jellby's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,086
Karma: 4571547
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spaniard in Sweden
Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura
Oh, well... since my device doesn't display page numbers anyway... I have my preferred font size, and would hate it if a particular book decides it should be 20% larger instead
Jellby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 11:32 AM   #9
DiapDealer
Grand Sorcerer
DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DiapDealer ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DiapDealer's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,919
Karma: 40404050
Join Date: Jan 2010
Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD
Gotta admit... rogue ebooks that don't match the font size of the rest of my book sort of annoy me. I want to set my base font-size preferences once and not have to fiddle with adjusting it for individual books.
DiapDealer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:32 PM   #10
theducks
Grand Sorcerer
theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.theducks ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
theducks's Avatar
 
Posts: 14,497
Karma: 5567061
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA
Device: Galaxy Tab 2, Astak Pocket Pro, K4NT
Quote:
Originally Posted by DiapDealer View Post
Gotta admit... rogue ebooks that don't match the font size of the rest of my book sort of annoy me. I want to set my base font-size preferences once and not have to fiddle with adjusting it for individual books.
My device does not allow that preference (would be as I always use Zoom level 3), But that would STILL NOT work around scaling those pesky page numbers that exist in MRSDK 1.7
theducks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 05:57 PM   #11
Tex2002ans
Evangelist
Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Tex2002ans ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 461
Karma: 360271
Join Date: Jul 2012
Device: Nook
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellby View Post
I have my preferred font size, and would hate it if a particular book decides it should be 20% larger instead
This is what I hate about a lot of these EPUBs from said conversion company (where I grabbed that CSS from). I have to adjust my font sizes on my Nook, the body text then looks fine, but if I reach a blockquote (text is too small), or a header (text is much too large).

I say font-size should be set ONLY when doing something special (dropcap, title page, image captions, etc.), besides that, everything should be set to user defaults.

Plus it makes it easy as pie if someone DOES want to change the font size, it becomes a one stop shop. Not having to pull your hair out for hours trying to figure out/tweak spaghetti.
Tex2002ans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 07:28 PM   #12
dwig
Guru
dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dwig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
dwig's Avatar
 
Posts: 963
Karma: 1382338
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Paradise (Key West, FL)
Device: Current:Dell Venue 8 Pro, Kindle 3/WiFi - Retired:Clie UX50, T415, ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex2002ans View Post
....
I say font-size should be set ONLY when doing something special (dropcap, title page, image captions, etc.), besides that, everything should be set to user defaults. ...
I agree, but...

...there are really two different conditions to consider:

1. Books created or massaged for personal use only.

2. Books created for distribution.

In the latter case, I agree that the base size should NEVER be set and that all other sizes should be set using "em" as the units so that they adjust relative to the reader's choice for the base size. Also, indents should be set using "em" and margins should not be specified but left to the reader to control.

That said, if you are creating a book for your own private use then anything goes. It is quite reasonable to then adjust the base size and/or margins for reasons like those mentioned (e.g. as a workaround for ADE's bogus page number behavior, ...).
dwig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 11:02 AM   #13
lipstick
Junior Member
lipstick began at the beginning.
 
Posts: 9
Karma: 10
Join Date: Mar 2013
Device: none
Thank you!

Thank you, theducks! The slider worked perfectly.

Thanks to all who replied. I appreciate your help & interest and will no doubt need more!
lipstick is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Font sizes paulfiera Conversion 2 08-14-2012 08:49 AM
Question about font sizes on prs-600 foghat Sony Reader 23 03-28-2010 06:09 PM
Font sizes DaleDe Sigil 8 03-13-2010 05:52 PM
Font Sizes on DX wallcraft Amazon Kindle 1 05-06-2009 11:08 PM
Only five font sizes in K2? KlondikeGeoff Amazon Kindle 6 02-25-2009 10:21 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:31 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.