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Old 02-23-2013, 03:33 PM   #16
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I have been able to create a KF8 mobi with an embedded font (attached). It renders correctly on my Kindle:
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But when attempting to embed the same font in my dictionary I have the following warning
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 Amazon kindlegen(Windows) V2.8 build 0208-797bf75 
 A command line e-book compiler 
 Copyright Amazon.com and its Affiliates 2013 
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Info:I9007:option: -c2: Kindle Huffdic compression
Info:I9014:option: -verbose: Verbose output
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Warning(parser8):W26001: Index not supported for enhanced mobi.
Info(parser8):I12001: Enhanced mobi generation suppressed.
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Info(prcgen):I1041: The file format version is V7
Info(prcgen):I1031: Saving PRC file
Info(prcgen):I1032: PRC built successfully
Info(prcgen):I1036: Mobi file built successfully
Apparently, when Kindlegen detects indexing --the essence of dictionaries-- it downgrades to KF7 file format. I have seen similar reports in the Mobi/Prc Books forum.

Is there a way to bypass this problem? My future v0.5 dictionary needs this font to properly render Klingon translations!

BTW When opening the KF7 document with the (unreliable) Kindle Previewer, characters are correctly rendered using the embedded font:
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But the Kindle physical device refuses to use the font because the book's file format is not KF8.

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font embedding

I had similar problems, can't remember all the details. Things to try are mobigen (not calibre like I just typed.) ... are you sure you need kf8 for fonts?

Anyway, I punted and put my font in /mnt/us/fonts and set ENABLE_ALT_FONT(s), and went on with my life.

My font was in extended unicode, so getting it to show up on the kindle involved many, many possible points of failure.

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Old 02-23-2013, 08:30 PM   #19
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I had similar problems, can't remember all the details. Things to try are mobigen (not calibre like I just typed.) ... are you sure you need kf8 for fonts?

Anyway, I punted and put my font in /mnt/us/fonts and set ENABLE_ALT_FONT(s), and went on with my life.

My font was in extended unicode, so getting it to show up on the kindle involved many, many possible points of failure.
Sure, Mobigen produces a KF6 mobi with no error:
Code:
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* Mobipocket mobigen.exe V6.2 build 43  *
* A command line e-book compiler        *
* Copyright Mobipocket.com 2003-2008    *
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opt compression: Mobipocket huffdic compression
opt verbose: verbose output
opt version: try to minimize (default)
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Info(prcgen): Final stats - text compressed to (in % of original size):  015.60%
Info(prcgen): The document identifier is: "NADSAT_chell-ictionary_v0.5"
Info(prcgen): The file format version is V6
Info(prcgen): Saving MOBI file
Info(prcgen): MOBI File successfully generated!
But the device still ignores the embedded font:
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I think that KF8 is the minimum trigger (though I am not sure of anything).

I agree that if all users of my dictionary had installed a Unicode font supporting these glyphs, there would be no need for embedding. That is the point : to prevent forcing new font installation.

Thanks for your much appreciated suggestions.
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Oh... I totally get it. Packing the Klingon font in the book is the way it ought to be. I'm just sayin'...

I'm not sure what the spoiler picture is demonstrating...

BTW, I have a touch 5.3.2. Your klingon.mobi does have Klingon glyphs in it. But it doesn't always work right; lots of Klingon show up, but the rest is stacked Tibetan characters (which, at 2am, seems half funny, half profound).

And that might be the problem. Klingon lives in the private use area of Unicode, and so does everyone else's great idea for a glyph. Tibetan has it's own range, so the fact that Tibetan stacking characters show up instead of Klingon suggests to me, anyway, that the Tibetan font put pre-composed stacked characters in the private use range, for, well, private use. I've also seen little-used Chinese characters showing up in the private use area until I set the font to what I put in /mnt/us/fonts, and they're from one of the stock CJK fonts. So maybe your Klingon is just getting stepped on (poor Klingon).

Hard to be sure without more tinkering. Do you have fonts in /mnt/us/fonts? It might also need 5.3.2. ?.

Annoying, but possible approaches, would be remapping your Klingon font to a range not used in stock kindles (maybe to Tibetan? Klingons would like that.), replacing the Klingon with html entities just to see if they survive through mobi/kindle gen better.

Good Luck! Kaplagh, or whatever!
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Is there a way to bypass this problem? My future v0.5 dictionary needs this font to properly render Klingon translations!
If you really want to generate a Kingon dictionary for the Kindle, you're in luck. Thanks to the code2000.ttf fallback font, eInk Kindles support most Klingon glyphs (and glyphs for most Tolkien conlangs) out of the box.

However, they're encoded in the Private Use Area (F8D0 - F8FF) and both books and dictionary obviously would need to use the same encoding.

(The source files are embedded in the .mobi file; use 7Zip to extract them.)
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If you really want to generate a Kingon dictionary for the Kindle, you're in luck. Thanks to the code2000.ttf fallback font, eInk Kindles support most Klingon glyphs (and glyphs for most Tolkien conlangs) out of the box.

However, they're encoded in the Private Use Area (F8D0 - F8FF) and both books and dictionary obviously would need to use the same encoding.

(The source files are embedded in the .mobi file; use 7Zip to extract them.)
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If you really want to generate a Kingon dictionary for the Kindle, you're in luck. Thanks to the code2000.ttf fallback font, eInk Kindles support most Klingon glyphs (and glyphs for most Tolkien conlangs) out of the box.

However, they're encoded in the Private Use Area (F8D0 - F8FF) and both books and dictionary obviously would need to use the same encoding.

(The source files are embedded in the .mobi file; use 7Zip to extract them.)
Exactly Doitsu! How about that : I previously went to the trouble of embedding my font for nothing. Just by luck the klingon glyphs are already present in the fallback builtin font and since I am already using the U+F8D0 to U+F8FF encoding, once I remove my embedded font everything is still rendered perfectly for that "ordinary" book.

But my original problem remains, it is within a "dictionary" that I want to display these glyphs. And I think that unless I can produce a KF8 dictionary (Kindlegen seeing indexing only creates a KF7 mobi) the fallback font is not used. See Chelloveck :
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BTW DiapDealer post in the crossed referenced forum may force me to only use latin transliterations. HIQaH! QaH!

Work in progress dictionary:
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I had a look at the source files and noticed some syntax errors in the .opf file.
After commenting out the .ncx, script and font sections, it seems to work.
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I had a look at the source files and noticed some syntax errors in the .opf file.
After commenting out the .ncx, script and font sections, it seems to work.
Fantastic Mobi Master. I will study the corrections and will do-it-so.

Initialy your .mobi gave me the same problem. But then, I removed the (Droid) font hack I had installed and everything started to work fine after. Also, my original .mobi (the one with the syntax errors) now works fine too!

Looks like the builtin fallback font is possibly overridden by the fonthack.

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Good Luck! Kaplagh, or whatever!
Turns out the stock fonts contains the klingon glyphs as Doitsu demonstrated. No need to embed that font in the dictionary. But your question triggered the other half of the solution. I had the Droid font hacked installed. Once removed the klingon glyphs are rendered properly.

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Change license from MIT to Creative Commons. I like the sexier notice.

Added Klingon translation (for a single word)! I used both Klingon glyphs and latin transliteration. I hope it will entice aliens to translate all the other words.

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LOL... not sure how I managed it.. but... when I downloaded the klingon.mobi I must have had two copies...

so it became:
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I threw it onto the KINDLE TOUCH device via SSH AND IT REBOOTED!!! HAHAHAH! perhaps it was the mangled name ??

anyways. no harm done. seems to be fine now. just thought I would share.

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looks really nice on the 3 [picture 2]
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Grab my Klingon v0.2 mobi from a spoiler in the first post.

I changed the aspect ratio of the cover (matching your's KUAL). Does the cover view look better aligned now?

I also fixed the html table size, and had fun with embedding fonts (thanks Doitsu).

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