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Old 02-15-2013, 03:49 PM   #16
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It always seems that artists are the only people that want and even expect to profit for a lifetime from any work done. A writer writes one book, a singer writes one song, and so on. These can be sold millions of times, and the authors reap rewards their entire lives if the products stay popular.

I for one, who writes computer software (which is also creating / writing stuff), has to keep working and working, as in a matter of 1-3 years, nobody will want the current program, or current website system anymore. Maybe it won't even work on a new system. It will need to be updated or even replaced.

Work once, profit many times over. Only artists expect this, and they always whine when it doesn't work out that way. My father, who was a construction worker, never received any royalties for each time someone walks on a path he laid down or walks trhough a door he placed.
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How many of us developed our reading habit because as kids our parents regularly took us to the library often and got us hooked on books? Libraries are like the neighborhood drug dealer giving away samples to stimulate later demand. Even with children's books, I've spent a whole lot to give my kids books I remember fondly from my childhood that I checked out and read (or had read to me) repeatedly. We've also got a nice collection of books my kids found at the library and loved enough that we bought a copy.
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Old 02-15-2013, 03:58 PM   #18
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It always seems that artists are the only people that want and even expect to profit for a lifetime from any work done. A writer writes one book, a singer writes one song, and so on. These can be sold millions of times, and the authors reap rewards their entire lives if the products stay popular.

I for one, who writes computer software (which is also creating / writing stuff), has to keep working and working, as in a matter of 1-3 years, nobody will want the current program, or current website system anymore. Maybe it won't even work on a new system. It will need to be updated or even replaced.

Work once, profit many times over. Only artists expect this, and they always whine when it doesn't work out that way. My father, who was a construction worker, never received any royalties for each time someone walks on a path he laid down or walks trhough a door he placed.
Yep and the thing is the author will probably hurt his own sales by airing that view of things in public as well. I mean word gets around that such and such author said this or that and that can hurt their popularity I would think.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:03 PM   #19
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I found the following quote and it does seem to fit the topic well enough.

An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.
~Ben Franklin

Certainly libraries are an investment in knowledge if ever I heard of one.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:15 PM   #20
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Libraries are like the neighborhood drug dealer giving away samples to stimulate later demand.
This is soooo true!! If I had not had access to libraries as a child / teen, I would not be the voracious reader that I am today. Even with libraries, free offerings, and other no-cost options, I still manage to spend more than I should on books. Each dollar I've spent would have gone elsewhere if not for libraries.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:34 PM   #21
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I am not surprised that a popular author would make these statements, but I am shocked that a children's author would. Simply put, literacy rates would collapse because a large number of families simply cannot afford to purchase a steady stream of books for their children. Yes, they need that steady stream since the reading habits of children is different from the reading habits of adults. An adult can read a book a month (or even a book a year) and remain literate while sustaining an interest in reading and maintaining the ability to read. Children need the steady stream to acquire literacy skills, to continue developing them, and develop the habits of reading.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:37 PM   #22
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He can ether withhold his books from the library in which case, I won't read or buy or he can shut up, go away and let the libraries have his books.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:39 PM   #23
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I think the key bit of the article is the first sentence, the view is attributed to:

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Terry Deary, an apparently lone literary voice to believe that libraries have "had their day"
You can understand the pound signs clouding his views, anyone who thinks that his library loans equal what he should be getting in sales ("If I sold the book I'd get 30p per book. I get six grand, and I should be getting £180,000") is clearly a bit blinkered in their views.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:48 PM   #24
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Well let him stop allowing his books in the library, and after airing his stupid opinion, he will have to find another job since his old one will have disappeared from everyone boycotting his books! Idiot.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:51 PM   #25
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How many of us developed our reading habit because as kids our parents regularly took us to the library often and got us hooked on books? Libraries are like the neighborhood drug dealer giving away samples to stimulate later demand. Even with children's books, I've spent a whole lot to give my kids books I remember fondly from my childhood that I checked out and read (or had read to me) repeatedly. We've also got a nice collection of books my kids found at the library and loved enough that we bought a copy.
I like your viewpoint. There is so much more provided by libraries than simply books, dvds, cds, and periodicals. How about places to convene for meetings? How about the direction and advice given by librarians and library patrons. I received a lot of help in my developing years. How about a place to read or research while waiting for a ride home from working parents? Libraries are still relevent for many reasons.
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I'd be able to live in a big library, aaaallll by myself. I'm sure of it.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:58 PM   #27
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Deary is an outspoken critic of schools, which he believes serve no function above keeping children off the street.[7] Deary has commented: "I've no interest in schools. They have no relevance in the 21st century. They were a Victorian idea to get kids off the street. Who decided that putting 30 kids with only their age in common in a classroom with one teacher was the best way of educating? At my school there were 52 kids in the class and all I learned was how to pass the 11-plus. Testing is the death of education. Kids should leave school at 11 and go to work. Not down the mines or up chimneys, mind, but working with computers or something relevant. Everything I learned after 11 was a waste of time. Trigonometry, Boyle's law: it's never been of any use to me. They should have been teaching me the life skills I was going to need, such as building relationships, parenting and managing money. I didn't have a clue about any of these things at 18. Schools need to change." [8]

I don't think anyone with any sense should take him seriously. I for one will be boycotting his books.
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Old 02-15-2013, 05:23 PM   #28
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There's an old saying "Dog bites man isn't news, but Man bites dog, that's news." An author railing against libraries, that's a Man bites dog story.

The Wikipedia article also says this.

Terry Deary has said of historians: "They are nearly as seedy and devious as politicians..They pick on a particular angle and select the facts to prove their case and make a name for themselves... They don’t write objective history... Eventually you can see through them all. They all come with a twist."

He writes history too. And his histories aren't objective either. He's taking an angle, selecting facts and giving it his own twist. I haven't seen any of his books, but I've seen videos based on them. They are interesting perspectives, but not the whole story either. And his rants against libraries aren't exactly historically objective either. It wouldn't stop me from getting his books (which I might to at the bookstore or library), but it doesn't mean that I'm going to take his rants seriously.
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Terry Deary has said of historians: "They are nearly as seedy and devious as politicians..They pick on a particular angle and select the facts to prove their case and make a name for themselves... They don’t write objective history... Eventually you can see through them all. They all come with a twist."
Seems to me he's doing just that with this article and while I agree that the average person might not use much Trigonometry in daily life I wager the people who build the ships and planes and other such defenses for us so that we can be free to read whatever we please do. Not to mention the astronauts who did the experiments which led to many of our modern inventions and medicines. Just because the average person doesn't use calculus in their daily life doesn't mean that no one does and that it doesn't serve a useful purpose. I do agree that he doesn't seem to have learned much in school if he can make that sort of statement with a straight face.
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I'm wondering how many 11 year olds have the skills to write a novel?? While there is something to be said for life skills, and not ALL students are suited for college/university, I would think any sane person would want children to be educated past the 5th grade...
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