Troubleshooting Indexing is truly vexing ...

brudigia · 02-13-2013, 04:43 PM

I have upgraded my Kindle Touch to 5.3.2 and suddenly the battery lasted less and less (just 3-4 days down to 20-30%).
Then inspiration struck me and I went to check how many books were still indexing and I found that out of my 650 books, 550 were still unindexed.
I am now slowly (20-30 books at a time !!!) trying to understand which books were the culprits for the slow down, but it is terribly slow. In 3 days I believe I must have inserted maybe 1/4th of the books.
It is boring.
Now comes the question:
does anybody know a sure (as far as possible) way to make sure books can be indexed correctly ? Said in other words, what gets a book stuck in indexing ?
I tried to look in other thread and I found out how to restart the indexing by deleting the indices, but that does not help. I could not find any mention on my question.
Maybe I did not ask the right question and did not find the right answer.

Does anybody know a possible answer ?

pidgeon92 · 02-13-2013, 06:11 PM

It seems to happen most often when a large number of books are loaded at once. I load my books generally one at a time (though on occasion I've loaded 6 - 10 titles), and I've never had an indexing problem.

Ganfas · 02-13-2013, 06:53 PM

Do you really need to have all the ebook collection in the Kindle at the same time?

brudigia · 02-14-2013, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganfas

Do you really need to have all the ebook collection in the Kindle at the same time?

It is my pile of books to read and also my reference books. I could definitely have fewer books with me, they just grew with time.

gouni · 02-14-2013, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganfas

Do you really need to have all the ebook collection in the Kindle at the same time?

Publicity Amazon

Paperwhite 1100 books

Kindle 4 black 1400 books

Ganfas · 02-14-2013, 09:36 AM

I understand that kindle support 1100 books, but for usability purpose i think that's better to have the ebook collection on PC and use Calibre (for example) to mantain the library. I do this with my collection and i only have about 10 / 15 books on the kindle. The ones i'm currently reading and the ones predict will want to read after.

Until know never noticed any problem with the indexing

HarryT · 02-14-2013, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganfas

I understand that kindle support 1100 books, but for usability purpose i think that's better to have the ebook collection on PC and use Calibre (for example) to mantain the library. I do this with my collection and i only have about 10 / 15 books on the kindle. The ones i'm currently reading and the ones predict will want to read after.

Until know never noticed any problem with the indexing

You won't if you only have 10-15 books. The only time problems generally occur is if you load hundreds of books in one go. I generally load them in batches of about 20, and wait for one batch to finish indexing before loading the next. I have about 850 books on my PW, but they've been added gradually, not all at once.

Yolina · 02-14-2013, 09:56 AM

If only Amazon gave us the option to turn off indexing - I'm sure some people find it useful, but I've never had to search inside a book so it's something I could happily do without - but then Amazon don't seem to be particularly good at giving options on the Kindle(s)

I've so far only moved the 200 or so books in my to read pile to the PW. Did it in one batch before going to bed and left it plugged to the charger overnight while it was doing its thing... All went well

so might transfer the rest of my books at some point.

Katsunami · 02-14-2013, 10:09 AM

In some posts it's said that the Kindle does not run on full speed when on battery, just like most notebooks. It's suggested that you put it on the charger for one or two nights.

HarryT · 02-14-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Katsunami

In some posts it's said that the Kindle does not run on full speed when on battery, just like most notebooks. It's suggested that you put it on the charger for one or two nights.

Yes - definitely a good idea to leave it on the charger while it's indexing.

brudigia · 02-14-2013, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes - definitely a good idea to leave it on the charger while it's indexing.

I tried that as well. But it still gets stuck at times. Fresh with this experience, I do not think it matters, maybe it is a tiny bit slower, but it still trundles on.

What is perplexing is also the fact that, for example, if it is stuck sometimes it is enough to restart it for the indexing to start again.

I loaded about 50 ebooks of my pile, and it stopped after 20. Restart kindle -> other 15 indexed -> restart kindle -> it is dealing with the rest.

In case you wonder, I restarted the kindle after 3-4 hours since the last apparent movement. And after that, it starts moving again. Why it gets stuck and then can restart again is baffling for me.

I just hope I can finish asap.

SampleAndy · 02-14-2013, 01:40 PM

After about five days, I'm finally down to eleven books. Any idea in what order the indexing is performed? If it runs into a problem, does it keep beating on the problem book or does it proceed to a different one? Does the system multi-task, or just do one book at a time?

I only had 167 books... I mean I only HAVE 167 ITEMs now. I probably added fifteen or so after my initial batch.

HarryT · 02-14-2013, 01:58 PM

It's been said time and time again here that it's not a good idea to add lots of books at a time. It really is sensible to listen to what people have learnt previously and benefit from our mistakes

.

VaultBoy · 02-14-2013, 02:03 PM

I made this mistake once, on accident. I had dragged and dropped about a thousand ebooks/articles/etc onto a Kindle I had connected to my PC. I thought I had dropped the payload onto my other external drive.

Later, after I realized that my Kindle was moving slower than tar coming out of a bucket in a Maine January, I saw that I had 1100~ books somehow on my Kindle. And, none on the external drive. Thankfully, the freakout was averted.

Katsunami · 02-14-2013, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

It's been said time and time again here that it's not a good idea to add lots of books at a time. It really is sensible to listen to what people have learnt previously and benefit from our mistakes

.

I think Amazon doesn't expect people to carry around hundreds or thousands of books. They're not mp3's....

I always have a batch of 10 or so on the Kindle, and replace them with different ones when they're done. I've never carried 500 paper books around and never saw the need to

02-13-2013, 04:43 PM	#1
brudigia Addict Posts: 251 Karma: 1042630 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Torino - Italy Device: iPAD 3, Kindle 4 Touch 3G, Nook Simple Touch, Kobo Glo	Indexing is truly vexing ... I have upgraded my Kindle Touch to 5.3.2 and suddenly the battery lasted less and less (just 3-4 days down to 20-30%). Then inspiration struck me and I went to check how many books were still indexing and I found that out of my 650 books, 550 were still unindexed. I am now slowly (20-30 books at a time !!!) trying to understand which books were the culprits for the slow down, but it is terribly slow. In 3 days I believe I must have inserted maybe 1/4th of the books. It is boring. Now comes the question: does anybody know a sure (as far as possible) way to make sure books can be indexed correctly ? Said in other words, what gets a book stuck in indexing ? I tried to look in other thread and I found out how to restart the indexing by deleting the indices, but that does not help. I could not find any mention on my question. Maybe I did not ask the right question and did not find the right answer. Does anybody know a possible answer ?

02-14-2013, 01:58 PM	#13
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 55,162 Karma: 27556397 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Touch, PW, Fire HD, iPad 3, iPhone 4, Samsung Tab 2 7 + More	It's been said time and time again here that it's not a good idea to add lots of books at a time. It really is sensible to listen to what people have learnt previously and benefit from our mistakes . __________________ Harry Currently proofreading The Poison Belt, by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

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VaultBoy Addict Posts: 206 Karma: 1683142 Join Date: Nov 2012 Device: Kindle of many shapes, PIPBoy 3000	I made this mistake once, on accident. I had dragged and dropped about a thousand ebooks/articles/etc onto a Kindle I had connected to my PC. I thought I had dropped the payload onto my other external drive. Later, after I realized that my Kindle was moving slower than tar coming out of a bucket in a Maine January, I saw that I had 1100~ books somehow on my Kindle. And, none on the external drive. Thankfully, the freakout was averted. __________________ Revolutionizing safety for an uncertain future.

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pidgeon92 Wizard Posts: 1,936 Karma: 3736870 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Device: Kindle 2, Kindle PW, Kindle DXG, Sony 950, Boox M90, Kobo Aura	It seems to happen most often when a large number of books are loaded at once. I load my books generally one at a time (though on occasion I've loaded 6 - 10 titles), and I've never had an indexing problem.

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Ganfas Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 450352 Join Date: Jan 2013 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	Do you really need to have all the ebook collection in the Kindle at the same time?

02-14-2013, 09:36 AM	#6
Ganfas Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 450352 Join Date: Jan 2013 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	I understand that kindle support 1100 books, but for usability purpose i think that's better to have the ebook collection on PC and use Calibre (for example) to mantain the library. I do this with my collection and i only have about 10 / 15 books on the kindle. The ones i'm currently reading and the ones predict will want to read after. Until know never noticed any problem with the indexing

02-14-2013, 09:56 AM	#8
Yolina Addict Posts: 308 Karma: 1904101 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: UK Device: PW wifi, K3 wifi, Sony PRS 650	If only Amazon gave us the option to turn off indexing - I'm sure some people find it useful, but I've never had to search inside a book so it's something I could happily do without - but then Amazon don't seem to be particularly good at giving options on the Kindle(s) I've so far only moved the 200 or so books in my to read pile to the PW. Did it in one batch before going to bed and left it plugged to the charger overnight while it was doing its thing... All went well so might transfer the rest of my books at some point.

02-14-2013, 10:09 AM	#9
Katsunami Guru Posts: 837 Karma: 5309288 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Netherlands Device: Kindle Paperwhite	In some posts it's said that the Kindle does not run on full speed when on battery, just like most notebooks. It's suggested that you put it on the charger for one or two nights.

02-14-2013, 01:40 PM	#12
SampleAndy Connoisseur Posts: 93 Karma: 487062 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Device: KPW, KFire HD, KT SO, K4 silver, K3g, K3g SO	After about five days, I'm finally down to eleven books. Any idea in what order the indexing is performed? If it runs into a problem, does it keep beating on the problem book or does it proceed to a different one? Does the system multi-task, or just do one book at a time? I only had 167 books... I mean I only HAVE 167 ITEMs now. I probably added fifteen or so after my initial batch.


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