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02-12-2013, 02:41 AM | #1 |
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DHS Watchdog OKs ‘Suspicionless’ Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
''The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.
The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings. “We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.'' http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...rder-seizures/ |
02-12-2013, 02:59 AM | #2 |
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Chalk up another win for the bad guys
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02-12-2013, 03:52 AM | #3 |
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It's somehow understandable that there are different rules for border crossings, but their definition or "border area" goes inland for 100 (!) miles.
People travelling in these areas, without any intent of leaving the country or any suspicion of recently having crossed a border shouldn't be stripped of their 4th amendment rights. This "constitution free zone" (© ACLU) includes Boston, NYC, Washington D.C., all of Florida, Houston, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento and Seattle, to name just a few. |
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That pretty much encompasses the majority of the US population. How convenient.
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02-12-2013, 07:54 AM | #5 |
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02-12-2013, 08:06 AM | #6 |
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National security is always a sticky area. Just saying, there's some areas where we're less than a heartbeat away from a disaster worse than 9/11. Most of those are close to the border.
Then there's also the issue that Probable Cause in court is vastly different from reasonable suspicion outside of one. I could reasonably suspect that someone has the plans for an attack on (for example) an oil refinery, but I can't pick them up unless they do something that gives me Probable Cause. And by the time I get that, they could've already gone and done the deed. This isn't always about a few bootlegged PDfs, MP3s, and MKVs, y'know. |
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This thread belongs in the political section.
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02-12-2013, 08:50 AM | #11 |
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I live in South Georgia and I am in this zone.
And I live more than 100 miles from any coast. Apache |
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02-12-2013, 09:40 AM | #13 |
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Where's Ben Franklin when you need him?
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02-12-2013, 10:56 AM | #14 |
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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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02-12-2013, 10:58 AM | #15 | |
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It should also be fairly clear that the 4th Amendment hasn't been suspended in all of Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, etc. Illegal searches are not being reinstated en masse because of this policy, which by the way has been found constitutional by the Supreme Court. If this is a policy Americans don't want, then we should try to get rid of it. That doesn't justify hyperbolic claims about the policy. |
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