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Old 01-12-2013, 03:16 PM   #16
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I am not worried about "user files" much, but about programmes - I'd be using it for work, and I have plenty of statistical packages and the like that take up a lot of space with installation - I presume they cannot be installed on an external drive, right? (please don't shoot )
It is full Windows so the answer would be "yes" for 99.99% of programs.

On full Windows external drives and internal partitions all look the same; a different drive letter. (With newer versions you can play tricks to fool even badly-behaved programs.) And it is considered good coding practice since Win95 to allow programs to run from anywhere, not just the programs directory.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:23 AM   #17
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I'm stuck between the Surface Pro and the Lenovo Thinkpad Helix. I'm in love with my Lenovo keyboard--they make the best in the world--and it matches the Pro on specs, except it has double the SSD space. Also, it's $500 more.

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Old 01-13-2013, 02:17 AM   #18
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I'm intrigued by the convertibles but haven't found the perfect one yet.

I've got a decent laptop already -- what I really want is basically the equivalent of a netbook -- something portable and mainly good for writing and web browsing on the go. Since I'm a writer and I want to use Scrivener and Final Draft, it has to be a Windows 8, not RT. But I don't want to spend laptop-replacement prices.

Surface Pro looks great but $900 not including the keyboard is a lot. Surface RT is not an option since I can't install Scrivener or Final Draft.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:25 AM   #19
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The Type Cover keyboard would tempt me more if it were Bluetooth. Having to have it physically connected to the device in order to use it is a pain.

The Touch cover doesn't impress me at all.
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I'm intrigued by the convertibles but haven't found the perfect one yet.

I've got a decent laptop already -- what I really want is basically the equivalent of a netbook -- something portable and mainly good for writing and web browsing on the go. Since I'm a writer and I want to use Scrivener and Final Draft, it has to be a Windows 8, not RT. But I don't want to spend laptop-replacement prices.

Surface Pro looks great but $900 not including the keyboard is a lot. Surface RT is not an option since I can't install Scrivener or Final Draft.
I read about one that would fit your bill on engadget.com a few days ago, but can't remember the brand for the life of me. I think it was around $600 - you may want to check their articles from this week.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:32 AM   #21
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The Type Cover keyboard would tempt me more if it were Bluetooth. Having to have it physically connected to the device in order to use it is a pain.

The Touch cover doesn't impress me at all.
That is what I thought at first. But by now (a few months on) I am almost as fast as I am on a regular keyboard. And it is wonderfully thin and weighs virtually nothing. Of course, you can still use any Blutooth or USB keyboard.
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Does the Surface have built-in Bluetooth capabilities?
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:01 AM   #23
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Does the Surface have built-in Bluetooth capabilities?
Yes, it has BT.
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Thanks, xendula. That's good to know.
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I've been waiting and will probably be getting one.
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What's the boot time on this (or RT since few have had their hands on one of these)? I love the idea of having full windows in a small device, but my Playbook with BT keyboard is swipe and virtually instant on when I leave it in sleep (and really takes very little battery in sleep). That for me would be the key make or break on the decision. Although I have to admit that I really like the Playbook size (tall paperbook) is nice to drag around and not sure I want the extra size of the Surface.
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What's the boot time on this (or RT since few have had their hands on one of these)? I love the idea of having full windows in a small device, but my Playbook with BT keyboard is swipe and virtually instant on when I leave it in sleep (and really takes very little battery in sleep). That for me would be the key make or break on the decision. Although I have to admit that I really like the Playbook size (tall paperbook) is nice to drag around and not sure I want the extra size of the Surface.

Should be the same as the regular Win 8 laptops, which are very close to instant on.
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I'm intrigued by the convertibles but haven't found the perfect one yet.

I've got a decent laptop already -- what I really want is basically the equivalent of a netbook -- something portable and mainly good for writing and web browsing on the go. Since I'm a writer and I want to use Scrivener and Final Draft, it has to be a Windows 8, not RT. But I don't want to spend laptop-replacement prices.

Surface Pro looks great but $900 not including the keyboard is a lot. Surface RT is not an option since I can't install Scrivener or Final Draft.
My Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T sounds like a perfect fit for you. It's 32 bit Windows 8 running on a dual core Atom chip. It's not going to work for heavy duty graphics or games, but for writing and browsing it's plenty. Amazon has them for $599 US without the keyboard dock, and $749 with.

I made the mistake of buying one without the keyboard, and am now having a hard time finding the stand alone keyboard.

BTW, the above referenced bloatware issue on the Sammy is virtually nonexistent. Any Samsung specific software is at least useful, and at best necessary. The only thing I removed/replaced is the Symantec antivirus. And then only because I have access to free antivirus packages through both my work and my ISP.
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What's the boot time on this (or RT since few have had their hands on one of these)? I love the idea of having full windows in a small device, but my Playbook with BT keyboard is swipe and virtually instant on when I leave it in sleep (and really takes very little battery in sleep). That for me would be the key make or break on the decision. Although I have to admit that I really like the Playbook size (tall paperbook) is nice to drag around and not sure I want the extra size of the Surface.
The ATIV comes up instantly from sleep and less than 30 seconds from full shutdown. It does not have the old hibernate feature, so if you have unsaved work you need to use sleep.
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My Samsung ATIV Smart PC 500T sounds like a perfect fit for you. It's 32 bit Windows 8 running on a dual core Atom chip. It's not going to work for heavy duty graphics or games, but for writing and browsing it's plenty. Amazon has them for $599 US without the keyboard dock, and $749 with.

I made the mistake of buying one without the keyboard, and am now having a hard time finding the stand alone keyboard.

BTW, the above referenced bloatware issue on the Sammy is virtually nonexistent. Any Samsung specific software is at least useful, and at best necessary. The only thing I removed/replaced is the Symantec antivirus. And then only because I have access to free antivirus packages through both my work and my ISP.
Isn't the Ativ 500 RT?
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