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Old 12-08-2012, 06:11 AM   #361
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I am sure that the "usual suspects" will show up to tell us how that is untrue and all poppycock
Not at all. With the hundreds of android phones on tHe market it would be a miracle it it didn't have 68% (or more) of the market. Apple has one phone model in a few configurations. Android is on multiple phones in multiple configurations from multiple companies. Anyone who says different is blind. It doesn't mean it's somehow better. It's just more accessible. And cheaper.
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The truly annoying idea is that one corporation is eating another's lunch when the people who actually own buying decisions regarding said lunch are the consumers.

The mere fact that companies and even journalists now think in these terms makes me think we're all captive buyers in their eyes -- they view capitalism as a de facto monopoly in which we're forced to give predetermined recipients money.

How about a headline like this?:

"Consumers Choose Android over iOS Increasingly: Apple Humbled, Google CEOs Weep with Gratitude."
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:43 PM   #363
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Nah, not a slam-dunk.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:45 PM   #364
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Not at all. With the hundreds of android phones on tHe market it would be a miracle it it didn't have 68% (or more) of the market. Apple has one phone model in a few configurations. Android is on multiple phones in multiple configurations from multiple companies. Anyone who says different is blind. It doesn't mean it's somehow better. It's just more accessible. And cheaper.
Well, Windows only has a few versions (Home, Business, Ultimate I think), and yet it has a larger percentage of the desktop market than Android has on the smartphone market. So I don't think you can correlate multiple choice with massive market share. Likewise, Linux has a plethora of distributions, yet its market share is minuscule.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:12 PM   #365
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Well, Windows only has a few versions (Home, Business, Ultimate I think), and yet it has a larger percentage of the desktop market than Android has on the smartphone market. So I don't think you can correlate multiple choice with massive market share. Likewise, Linux has a plethora of distributions, yet its market share is minuscule.
Oh rubbish, of course you can. Windows is licenced, sold whatever to any PC maker/company that wants it. Its been sold for years (who else remembers the abomination that was Windows 1?) again, hundreds of different options. Its time you got off the "hate Apple" high horse (because thats what you are really on about) and looked at whats really going on.

Linux is always going to be behind the 8ball because it isnt licenced, so its not marketed to any particular group. Watch things change if one or more of the large companies (eg Dell, HP) start actively marketing Linux as a viable alternative to Windows.

In any case, comparing the desktop market to the smartphone market is just a furphy, and distracting from the original argument which is that android is eating apple's lunch. And I am saying that is not a bit surprising, considering the sheer numbers of phones out there with android on them. Drawing comparisons with desktop market is just fluff and froth. no substance.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:41 PM   #366
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The truly annoying idea is that one corporation is eating another's lunch when the people who actually own buying decisions regarding said lunch are the consumers.

The mere fact that companies and even journalists now think in these terms makes me think we're all captive buyers in their eyes -- they view capitalism as a de facto monopoly in which we're forced to give predetermined recipients money.

How about a headline like this?:

"Consumers Choose Android over iOS Increasingly: Apple Humbled, Google CEOs Weep with Gratitude."
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"Consumers Choose Android over iOS Increasingly: Apple Humbled, Google CEOs Weep with Gratitude."
Hey, that is the way I feel. I got to admit it.
Well, I might change it slightly and show my class.

I am weeping with "humble" gratitude.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:38 PM   #367
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Oh rubbish, of course you can. Windows is licenced, sold whatever to any PC maker/company that wants it. Its been sold for years (who else remembers the abomination that was Windows 1?) again, hundreds of different options. Its time you got off the "hate Apple" high horse (because thats what you are really on about) and looked at whats really going on.
Well, look who lost his/her manners! Thanks for name calling, please go ahead and point where in my post I mentioned any negative stuff about apple.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:18 PM   #368
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And on the Patent front the Apple multi-touch patent may be rejected:

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Apple’s Flagship Multi-Touch Patent Has Been Tentatively Invalidated
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Apple has quite a few patents. Steve Jobs alone had 313 patents to his name. There's one key one however, the '949 multi-touch patent, sometimes known as the Steve Jobs patent, and the USPTO just tentatively rejected all 20 of its claims.

This tentative rejection was first reported by Foss Patents and while it is only tentative, it goes to show there could be some fissures and cracks in the flagship patent Apple has been wielding. The one that claims a "touch screen device, method, and graphical user interface for determining commands by applying heuristics."

If some of its claims were ultimately found to be invalid, it could have drastic retroactive effects on the ruling in the big Apple vs Samsung case. On the other hand, if they are ultimately found to be valid, the patent will be stronger than ever for having survived an additional round of USPTO scrutiny.

This isn't the first Apple patent to be tentatively invalidated. The same thing happened to their bounce-scroll patent back in October. Of course Apple is going to muster its best legal minds to defend these key patents, and its legal team has proven to be savvy in the past, so this is by no means the definitive end of this patent. But it could be the beginning of it. Maybe.
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http://gizmodo.com/5966835/apples-fl...ly-invalidated
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:29 PM   #369
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And on the Patent front the Apple multi-touch patent may be rejected:


http://gizmodo.com/5966835/apples-fl...ly-invalidated
Good riddance. That, plus the rubber one (which has also been tentatively invalidated), should never have been granted based on prior art.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:52 PM   #370
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Speaking of patents, I am surprised that Apple didn't get one particular patent and that is the one covering where the phone sits on the table right next to a person's right hand or at least on the right side (for right handed people of course) until the time comes to pick it up and finger it a bit.
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Windows is licenced, sold whatever to any PC maker/company that wants it.
This is pretty much what Google does with Android. It offers a more-or-less standard platform for software developers, users get a somewhat standard interface between devices, and hardware developers have an enormous amount of incentive to address different markets. Is it any wonder why Google (and Microsoft) were successful internationally, while Apple is successful within certain markets.

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Linux is licensed. It is just that the licensing is so flexible that most people don't recognize the thing being licensed as Linux or the license as being a license. It is probably a sure bet to say that Linux dominates the market: Android is built on Linux, most ereaders are based on Linux, wireless routers are frequently running Linux. Even Televisions use Linux.

Openness does breed success.
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Linux is licensed. It is just that the licensing is so flexible that most people don't recognize the thing being licensed as Linux or the license as being a license. It is probably a sure bet to say that Linux dominates the market: Android is built on Linux, most ereaders are based on Linux, wireless routers are frequently running Linux. Even Televisions use Linux.

Openness does breed success.
You've taken my comment out of context, I was referring specifically to the desktop computer. However, your general point is well taken. Even the Tomtom GPS device has Linux under the hood.
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Apple has revolutionized the tech sector twice in the last half decade. Its competitors have been impelled to slavishly copy its every move to keep up. No other company has come close to their ability to "bring us new things," in any industry. It is a bit much to expect them to do it every three years for eternity, which does not preclude them from producing the highest-quality devices and platform in the market, or from doing it again someday.
Apple is losing its edge when it comes to highest quality: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...after-rescues/

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Meanwhile in China Nokia and Windows eat everyone's lunch. The largest carrier in China has decided to go with the new Nokia instead of the iPhone or an Android device.
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