Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > Reading Recommendations > Book Clubs

Notices

View Poll Results: Poor farmers or robots? Vote for your choice.
I, Robot by Isaac Asimov 19 38.00%
Ethan Frome by Edith Wharton 31 62.00%
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-29-2012, 01:29 PM   #46
Hamlet53
Babi Yar
Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hamlet53's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,755
Karma: 45944891
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle PW, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9"
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSWolf View Post
Too bad. I'd read Ethan Frome if it had no words.
I would read I, Robot if it only consisted of Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics."


Spoiler:
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Later revised by Asimov to include a zeroth law:

0. A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

Sort of like the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamic being added to the other three.


That would get everything of merit in without having to read all the dated and silly stuff.

Then a lively discussion could ensue.
Asimov’s Laws of Robotics Are Total BS Alert, link contains "Robotic Laws" spoilers.


Last edited by Hamlet53; 11-29-2012 at 02:14 PM.
Hamlet53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 01:32 PM   #47
Hamlet53
Babi Yar
Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hamlet53's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,755
Karma: 45944891
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle PW, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9"
Quote:
Originally Posted by issybird View Post
Lurkers get to vote. I'm sure there are lurkers voting for I, Robot, too. If you have a preference and will be encouraged to read a book or follow the discussion, why not?
Yes, I have observed that the ratio of voters to those who participate in ensuing discussions seldom exceeds 20-30%. Those who either read the selected book, are at least made aware of it, or enjoy the discussion is no doubt much higher.
Hamlet53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 05:53 PM   #48
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 36,208
Karma: 17169472
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet53 View Post
I would read I, Robot if it only consisted of Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics."


Spoiler:
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Later revised by Asimov to include a zeroth law:

0. A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

Sort of like the Zeroth Law of Thermodynamic being added to the other three.


That would get everything of merit in without having to read all the dated and silly stuff.

Then a lively discussion could ensue.
Asimov’s Laws of Robotics Are Total BS Alert, link contains "Robotic Laws" spoilers.

That article is BS. It debunks the laws buy giving real world examples which don't mean a thing because this is science fiction, not non-fiction. The author is full of BS and has his head firmly entrench up his ass.

We could start a thread on Ethan Frome entitled. "Ethan Frome is severely depressing and poorly written (spoilers unfortunately)"
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 06:27 PM   #49
issybird
o saeclum infacetum
issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
issybird's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,751
Karma: 33075072
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New England
Device: 950, 350s, N7, &...
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSWolf View Post
We could start a thread on Ethan Frome entitled. "Ethan Frome is severely depressing and poorly written (spoilers unfortunately)"
I think Ethan Frome is grim but also a small gem. Why, specifically, do you think it's poorly written?
issybird is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2012, 09:08 PM   #50
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 36,208
Karma: 17169472
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
Quote:
Originally Posted by issybird View Post
I think Ethan Frome is grim but also a small gem. Why, specifically, do you think it's poorly written?
Because it's a lousy read. It's one of those books that once you read it, you want that wasted part of your life back.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 02:19 AM   #51
Piper_
~~~~~
Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Piper_ ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Piper_'s Avatar
 
Posts: 762
Karma: 1278391
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: USA
Device: Kindle 3, Sony 350
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSWolf View Post
Because it's a lousy read. It's one of those books that once you read it, you want that wasted part of your life back.
Not sure about Ethan Frome, but I felt that way about Dostoyevsky and some Hardy... Even Grapes of Wrath was a story I was relieved to finish.

Life's too short (and my TBR list too long!) to read books that bum me out. (higher tolerance if it's historically accurate and informative historical fiction)

I wouldn't say they're bad or poorly written based on that, though - just not my cup of tea. Neither is SF, dystopian, or depressing fantasy.

I'll give Ethan Frome a chance, especially since it's so short. I'll sandwich it between Georgette Heyer and Julie Garwood romps, just in case.
Piper_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 02:41 AM   #52
dreams
It's about the umbrella
dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.dreams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
dreams's Avatar
 
Posts: 25,080
Karma: 56218156
Join Date: Jan 2009
Device: Sony 505| K Fire | KK 3G+Wi-Fi | iPhone 3Gs |Vista 32-bit Hm Prem w/FF
Quote:
Originally Posted by pynch View Post
I have prepared an epub version of Ethan Frome with some corrections, which you can find here.
Thank you.
dreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 06:11 AM   #53
Bookatarian
Zealot
Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookatarian ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Bookatarian's Avatar
 
Posts: 127
Karma: 620038
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: USA
Device: Kindle Paperwhite
I can't tolerate Hardy...not after a lengthy paper involving several of his works. Please tell me Ethan Frome is not as bad as Hardy....would much rather read I, Robot for the month of December, even if I do have to pay for it.
Bookatarian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 06:26 AM   #54
Billi
Wizard
Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Billi ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Billi's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,177
Karma: 13076317
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Berlin
Device: Cybook, iRex, PB, Onyx
I hope I won't forget it until we finally reach the December vote but I think I will propose Short Fiction then. It's a little bit sad to see that our decision this time mostly depends on the length of the book. I'm not criticising at all, I understand all the reasons very well, but Classics deserve better (at least many of them)!
Billi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 08:20 AM   #55
WT Sharpe
Grand Muckity-Muck
WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WT Sharpe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
WT Sharpe's Avatar
 
Posts: 31,920
Karma: 94158280
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA
Device: Kindle Paperwhite, iPad Air, iPod Nano. Other devices gathering dust.
The vote is now 29 to 19 in favor of Ethan Frome. I've already started reading I, Robot because I believe those areas in which the polls have not yet closed are solid Classic Sci-Fi Party districts.
WT Sharpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 08:36 AM   #56
caleb72
Indie Advocate
caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.caleb72 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
caleb72's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,691
Karma: 14475697
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Device: Kindle
Quote:
Originally Posted by WT Sharpe View Post
The vote is now 29 to 19 in favor of Ethan Frome. I've already started reading I, Robot because I believe those areas in which the polls have not yet closed are solid Classic Sci-Fi Party districts.
caleb72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 08:56 AM   #57
Hamlet53
Babi Yar
Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hamlet53's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,755
Karma: 45944891
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle PW, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billi View Post
I hope I won't forget it until we finally reach the December vote but I think I will propose Short Fiction then. It's a little bit sad to see that our decision this time mostly depends on the length of the book. I'm not criticising at all, I understand all the reasons very well, but Classics deserve better (at least many of them)!
It's not just December. People were complaining last month about the length of Cloud Atlas. I would hate to see a major criteria for monthly book selection become that the book be short and up beat. Perhaps another possibility for December in 2013 would be to make that the comedy month? That is if comedy is retained as a category.
Hamlet53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 08:57 AM   #58
Hamlet53
Babi Yar
Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hamlet53's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,755
Karma: 45944891
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle PW, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9"
Quote:
Originally Posted by WT Sharpe View Post
The vote is now 29 to 19 in favor of Ethan Frome. I've already started reading I, Robot because I believe those areas in which the polls have not yet closed are solid Classic Sci-Fi Party districts.
Carl Rove is that you?
Hamlet53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 08:59 AM   #59
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 36,208
Karma: 17169472
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookatarian View Post
I can't tolerate Hardy...not after a lengthy paper involving several of his works. Please tell me Ethan Frome is not as bad as Hardy....would much rather read I, Robot for the month of December, even if I do have to pay for it.
Frome is pretty bad and very depressing. Not a good choice for December when there is a lot of depression and suicide.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2012, 09:06 AM   #60
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 36,208
Karma: 17169472
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamlet53 View Post
It's not just December. People were complaining last month about the length of Cloud Atlas. I would hate to see a major criteria for monthly book selection become that the book be short and up beat. Perhaps another possibility for December in 2013 would be to make that the comedy month? That is if comedy is retained as a category.
I did read Cloud Atlas and the length was not an issue. It was a very easy read. That's one thing I don't see people taking into account. I, Robot is longer, but it's going to be an easier read then Ethan Frome.

People, please don't vote for something because it's shorter. Frome is actually longer in some ways due to it not being an easy read. It's boring, depressing, and written in a way you may not be used to. So it may very well feel like a chore to read where as I, Robot will be a breeze to read even though it is longer.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
MobileRead November 2012 Run-Off Vote WT Sharpe Book Clubs 23 11-16-2012 07:43 PM
MobileRead August 2012 Run-Off Vote WT Sharpe Book Clubs 48 08-22-2012 06:55 PM
MobileRead July 2012 Run-Off Vote WT Sharpe Book Clubs 36 07-20-2012 12:10 AM
MobileRead June 2012 Run-Off Vote WT Sharpe Book Clubs 41 06-12-2012 06:18 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:10 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.