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Old 11-16-2012, 08:36 AM   #91
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I understand your thought, but do not understand what to do to resolve this conflict. I am a noob in Linux.
It would probably be better to start over than to try doing a massive un-install and re-install from another repository stream.

The Debian package management tools and control files do support such actions but you will see in their descriptions that Debian does not recommend trying it.

Next time, be a bit more careful of what repositories you specify.
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Same goes for me. I thought I followed the instructions to the letter.



I'll do it again later - and rewrite them with the correct "bit"
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Your base packages are from emdebian grip (source=http://www.emdebian.org/grip). The other ones are from debian (source=http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian).
I don't know much about debian, but I avoided this conflict pulling everything from emdebian.
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[General]
unpack=true
debootstrap=Grip
aptsources=Debian

[Grip]
packages=ntpdate udev lrzsz netcat telnetd
source=http://www.emdebian.org/grip
keyring=emdebian-archive-keyring
suite=sid-grip

[Debian]
packages=
source=http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian
keyring=debian-archive-keyring
suite=sid
so... err. fix this? *goes off to learn more things*

This feels like I should be able to use apt "pinning" http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html but that is at the edge of my knowledge and TBH a simple "Do it like this to just make it work" would have more community value than "And here's something else obscure you can do"

maybe revisit pinning one day.


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so err ummm...

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[General]
unpack=true
debootstrap=Grip
aptsources=Debian

[Grip]
packages=ntpdate udev lrzsz netcat telnetd
source=http://www.emdebian.org/grip
keyring=emdebian-archive-keyring
suite=sid-grip

[Debian]
packages=
source=http://www.emdebian.org/debian
keyring=emdebian-archive-keyring
suite=sid
I'll give that a go and remind myself of the steps.

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That's really, really strange - emdebian repo is meant to be used together with official repositories, and on my Kindle it worked perfectly (before upgrade to 5.3.0 :P). If you really want to get rid of some of the repos, then remove emdebian and leave official one enabled.

I used emdebian only because of PWs 2GB storage and my 512MB Debian partition, to reduce used amount of space. If you have more available space, you don't really need it.
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That's really, really strange - emdebian repo is meant to be used together with official repositories, and on my Kindle it worked perfectly (before upgrade to 5.3.0 :P). If you really want to get rid of some of the repos, then remove emdebian and leave official one enabled.

I used emdebian only because of PWs 2GB storage and my 512MB Debian partition, to reduce used amount of space. If you have more available space, you don't really need it.
1.2 GB of space I have gone for. it allows a nice solid base install and room to do some serious testing in one area (sound, video, music, editors, etc) before needing a clear-down via rsync.

TBH I just do not use debian enough "under the hood" to have a grasp on the right fix.

Will attempt to construct a working apt stanza then - as you have implied... so I am looking for an official "grip"? Will go dig.

EDIT: hmm. no I dont think so? http://ftp.uk.debian.org/emdebian/grip/

I guess I need to go read up on grip. cheers
http://www.emdebian.org/grip/

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http://ftp.uk.debian.org/emdebian/grip/ is just a mirror of what you already have.

Emdebian Grip is an repository which contains stripped down, but binary compatible Debian packages. It doesn't have all of packages from Debian, only about 2000. You *DON'T* want to have only that repo configured, without official, standard Debian one.

If you have problems, then remove Emdebian and leave only official one. If you still have problems, then you know that reason is somewhere else :P

Of course you don't have to reinstall whole system to change those things, everything should be doable from config files and clever use of apt-get/aptitude.

PS. FSO repo shouldn't be necessary. It just has few nice utilities we created while working on freesmartphone.org within Openmoko community, like mdbus, matchbox themes etc., but the most useful ones probably already migrated to main repos.
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http://ftp.uk.debian.org/emdebian/grip/ is just a mirror of what you already have.

Emdebian Grip is an repository which contains stripped down, but binary compatible Debian packages. It doesn't have all of packages from Debian, only about 2000. You *DON'T* want to have only that repo configured, without official, standard Debian one.

If you have problems, then remove Emdebian and leave only official one. If you still have problems, then you know that reason is somewhere else :P

Of course you don't have to reinstall whole system to change those things, everything should be doable from config files and clever use of apt-get/aptitude.

PS. FSO repo shouldn't be necessary. It just has few nice utilities we created while working on freesmartphone.org within Openmoko community, like mdbus, matchbox themes etc., but the most useful ones probably already migrated to main repos.

hi mate. not to be a pain in the ass. but an apt stanza example would go a long way <-- SCREAMING NOOB!!!

Just imagine that I have no idea what I am doing. Then you just about have it.

" clever use of apt-get/aptitude." = just about being able to understand the docs "so far"...

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deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free

This one is official Debian repo. You already had it - probably without "contrib non-free" part, but it doesn't matter, as python-gtk2 for sure isn't non-free package :P

"Clever use of apt-get/aptitude" is needed only when something goes wrong with dependencies and you really want to switch between grip and main. In your case it doesn't matter, so just ignore it :P

If I were you I would just run aptitude and play within its GUI. On my Kindle I didn't have any problem with installing gajim, so there must be some reason why it doesn't work on yours (maybe I forgot about something I did before? I don't know...)
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deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free

This one is official Debian repo. You already had it - probably without "contrib non-free" part, but it doesn't matter, as python-gtk2 for sure isn't non-free package :P

"Clever use of apt-get/aptitude" is needed only when something goes wrong with dependencies and you really want to switch between grip and main. In your case it doesn't matter, so just ignore it :P

If I were you I would just run aptitude and play within its GUI. On my Kindle I didn't have any problem with installing gajim, so there must be some reason why it doesn't work on yours (maybe I forgot about something I did before? I don't know...)

okay I will have a hack and slash.

I think I will just start from the beginning again TBH. This issue actually prevents testing quite a few apps so far as it goes. so it would be worth understanding.
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I'm crazy =) I changed the version with the manual and it worked.
Fix deb package https://dl.dropbox.com/u/30741962/em1.deb
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Aptitude solved problem versions!
I'm installed pidgin =)
There are problems with the menu to the program. No scroll bar and the window does not fit on the screen.

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I'm installed pidgin =)
There are problems with the menu to the program. No scroll bar and the window does not fit on the screen.
IIRC someone got Pidgin to run natively on the Touch...
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Yep those 3 base libs (em1) for some reason screw the libfortran thing.

far as I can tell. aptitude replaces the clibs with the main ones and all is well.
just applying the changes now. fine. I'll just stick that in my process. rip guts. happy.

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Processing triggers for mime-support ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ...
dpkg: warning: downgrading gcc-4.7-base from 4.7.2-4em1 to 4.7.2-4
(Reading database ... 25088 files and directories currently installed.)
...
etc
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Selecting previously unselected package python-gobject-2.
Unpacking python-gobject-2 (from .../python-gobject-2_2.28.6-10_armel.deb) ...
Selecting previously unselected package python-gtk2.
Unpacking python-gtk2 (from .../python-gtk2_2.24.0-3_armel.deb) ...
Selecting previously unselected package gajim.
Unpacking gajim (from .../gajim_0.15.1-2_all.deb) ...
.. blah...
yep. the 3 main c libs just need switching out. perhaps you did that DOS. who knows, perhaps the bug has just been introduced. who cares it's all good now. onward with the testing...

(oh and package up some of the wins so far that can be easily natively packaged)

and don't forget to sudo apt-get clean my kindle from time to time

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Yep those 3 base libs (em1) for some reason screw the libfortran thing.

far as I can tell. aptitude replaces the clibs with the main ones and all is well.
just applying the changes now. fine. I'll just stick that in my process. rip guts. happy.

yep. the 3 main c libs just need switching out. perhaps you did that DOS. who knows, perhaps the bug has just been introduced. who cares it's all good now. onward with the testing...

(oh and package up some of the wins so far that can be easily natively packaged)

and don't forget to sudo apt-get clean my kindle from time to time
Great Well, I don't recall having any problems with emdebian versions of packages, so that could be some packaging bug introduced recently. Due to unfortunate events from last two weeks I wasn't up-to-date with it, and I don't use Emdebian on anywhere else other than Kindle, so I could just miss it

The day before 5.3.0 happened I installed Firefox and decided to try running Firefox Mobile interface on top of it. Themed a bit could work really well. Now I believe I'll be able to bring that idea to life soon
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Great Well, I don't recall having any problems with emdebian versions of packages, so that could be some packaging bug introduced recently. Due to unfortunate events from last two weeks I wasn't up-to-date with it, and I don't use Emdebian on anywhere else other than Kindle, so I could just miss it

The day before 5.3.0 happened I installed Firefox and decided to try running Firefox Mobile interface on top of it. Themed a bit could work really well. Now I believe I'll be able to bring that idea to life soon
Yeah. that's what I figured. No problem at all. Somewhere RSN there is a serial cable with your name on it no doubt.

Nice one for the browser. I did look at firefox and chrome briefly. excited to see what you come up with.
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