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Old 11-10-2012, 03:01 PM   #16
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Wish there were a single program to remove DRM. All these "tools" are very nice no doubt but as I understand it, I must install Python or something then another program then a third program and when I'm done I don't know which one to go to or how to use it. It's too complicated for me, and since I'm a lazy bastard to boot ...
If you use the calibre plugins, no installation of python is required.

But I think that this thread is straying towards too much detail. Please remember that detailed instructions are not permitted on MobileRead.
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Yeah especially since this is a Canadian site and Canada now is moving towards making it illegal to strip DRM's from whatever is DRMed. Or so I've heard.

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There aren't really any alternatives. There are just uncredited (and usually outdated) versions of the exact same "mentioned tools" that have been all wrapped up into (potentially dangerous) executables and given shiny new names... and oftentimes given a price tag.
Actually there are. But since I can't talk about this, I won't be able to mention the name of the program I use in this thread.
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Actually there are. But since I can't talk about this, I won't be able to mention the name of the program I use in this thread.
Gazella20 has kindly sent me the name of the program, but that company also just repackages the code from Alf's blog.
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I don't understand why any one repackages ?
Only instances of repackaging I have heard about is to add malevolent code. Could that be the case here?

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I don't understand why any one repackages ?
Only instances of repackaging I have heard about is to add malevolent code. Could that be the case here?
The reason, in most cases, is simply one of profit. These companies are charging money for tools which are available for free. Not illegal, but perhaps of questionable morality.
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Wouldn't it be better if the original makers did a repackaging of their own so that all would be done in one program instead of having to install three ? I mean keeping the whole process complicated is asking for third parties to repackage and make money off it.

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I don't understand why any one repackages ?
Only instances of repackaging I have heard about is to add malevolent code. Could that be the case here?
They repackage and add a front-end of their own. It's unlikely to be to add malevolent code.
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Wouldn't it be better if the original makers did a repackaging of their own so that all would be done in one program instead of having to install three ? I mean keeping the whole process complicated is asking for third parties to repackage and make money off it.
It is unfortunate that Windows doesn't include a version of Python.
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Then how do those so called third parties repackage and get it working ? They don't ask you to install Python thus it is technically possible to do this either without Python or with Python inside the single program package somehow.

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Then how do those so called third parties repackage and get it working ? They don't ask you to install Python thus it is technically possible to do this either without Python or with Python inside the single program package somehow.
They do it by creating huge unwieldy downloads that each come with their own embedded python environment. Considering how many individual tools are included in the "tools," this could easily result in something that might be hundreds of megabytes in size as opposed to two. Transparency is also a big factor: the script IS the source-code.
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There aren't really any alternatives. There are just uncredited (and usually outdated) versions of the exact same "mentioned tools" that have been all wrapped up into (potentially dangerous) executables and given shiny new names... and oftentimes given a price tag.
Are people monetizing the good Apprentice's labor?
That is awful, yet oddly ironic.
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Gazella20 has kindly sent me the name of the program, but that company also just repackages the code from Alf's blog.
Isn't code as proprietary as any other writing and subject to copyright laws?
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