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Old 10-29-2012, 08:25 PM   #346
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Apple products are always failures from a specifications standpoint. Apple is about the user experience. It is the app ecosystem that will sell the iPad mini. Those looking merely for a reader or movie viewer, web browser will be nicely served by the competition.

There is a market for both. All three will be successful.

Those who buy or evaluate based on socs will forever be mystified as to why Apple is so successful...and why Apple always has far and away the most happy customers.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:31 AM   #347
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Apple products are always failures from a specifications standpoint.
No you're absolutely wrong. Macbooks, the Imac and the Ipad 3 and 4 have excellent hardware on par with the competition. The Ipod Touch was for a long time the only player of it's class.

Many people buy Apple products because of the excellent hardware and UI. While I grant you that ecosystem is an important part of the appeal, but if you think that it is only the ecosystem you are very, very wrong.

Stop trying to justify inferior hardware by saying that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for you does not mean that it doesn't matter for everyone and you don't speak for the Apple community.

I think that it is more likely that the majority of people that buy the mini buy it because they wish they could afford the real deal-- an ipad 4, but they can't so they settle for less in every meaning of the word.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:33 AM   #348
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About the Ipad not being able to display "all" of a website... do any of you realize that websites are still mostly optimized for the now legacy 1024x768 resolution? And the mobile version for even less? I hate that poor resolution on the Mini but this whole can't display the whole website debate is silly. Most websites of significance are mostly text anyway.
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No you're absolutely wrong.
Are you kidding me? The iPads, all of them, have been criticized for not having usb ports, not having HDMI ports, not having memory card slots, not having the best available cameras. I could go on...but never ever ever has an Apple product come out that wasn't roundly criticized by the "I hate Apple" club.

Never.

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Many people buy Apple products because of the excellent hardware and UI. While I grant you that ecosystem is an important part of the appeal, but if you think that it is only the ecosystem you are very, very wrong.
Watch and see. The iPad mini sold out in 3 days. It's not that plenty of folks continually find reasons to not like or buy Apple products...it's that there are CONTINUALLY millions who will.

Of course everyone wants everything, for cheap, light and thin. I surely do. I would have loved for the original iPad to have supported flash (but only in the fantasy world where flash ran great on mobile)...would prefer to have a memory card slot...that apps could be bought from any app store.

On and on. But I bought it for what it COULD deliver. The iPad mini isn't going to stop the 7" phone-app running tablets from selling. But neither are they going to stop Apple from selling the mini iPad from selling all that Apple can make.

Because it's an iPad. That's smaller, lighter and cheaper. Having a higher resolution screen does not turn a Nexus into an iPad.

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Stop trying to justify inferior hardware by saying that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter for you does not mean that it doesn't matter for everyone and you don't speak for the Apple community.
It won't matter to SALES. And if someone thought the iPad 2 was great...as I -do-, then smaller, lighter, cheaper version of it is a welcome thing. The iPad 3 actually is SLOWER (by just a big), and bigger/heavier than the iPad 2, just to give a similar performance in battery life and speed to the iPad 2 while providing industry smashing gorgeous retina display.

The requirement for the iPad mini was to be...well...mini. Smaller battery. Now it was just 6 months ago that Apple was able to produce the retina display and it took a honkin big battery such that Apple did the unthinkable and came out with an iPad larger than the one before.

So we get an iPad 2 class machine which until a week ago had the leading performance for all metrics except the retina display. Reduced the battery to enable the smallest, lightest device capable of running all 270,000 iPad apps ever made. Your description of this device as being under-spec'd, old technology is just so much dog feces.

It isn't about the specs. It's about the experience. Smaller, lighter, cheaper -- and yet still an iPad running all the iPad apps at the same responsiveness of the BEST iPad ever until the one that was just announced a week ago. THAT new iPad still needs the big honkin battery.

And the screen -- while not a retina screen, will be better than the iPad 2 as it's the same number of pixels on a smaller screen, means better resolution. And it's only been 6 months that Apple has had a better screen on the iPad, so we haven't taken a huge step back in time. The iPad 2 is still being manufactured and sold by Apple.

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I think that it is more likely that the majority of people that buy the mini buy it because they wish they could afford the real deal-- an ipad 4, but they can't so they settle for less in every meaning of the word.
I'm sure that will describe some. But every one of them COULD by a Nexus or a Kindle Fire HD instead which feature a couple of higher specs, and much cheaper price. But those devices are not iPad's, do not run the 270,000 iPad apps, are not part of the iOS ecosystem.

And thus -- it's not about specs. Unless smaller, lighter, sexy, build quality is a spec too.
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:43 AM   #350
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with a5 processor ipad mini first generation days are numbered...future ios version will simply be too much for weak hardware in ipad mini. it will be obsolete faster than any apple products so far...
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:13 AM   #352
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with a5 processor ipad mini first generation days are numbered...future ios version will simply be too much for weak hardware in ipad mini. it will be obsolete faster than any apple products so far...
The iPad mini, iPod touch 5, iPhone 4S, Apple TV 3, and iPad 2 all use the A5.
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:17 AM   #353
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with a5 processor ipad mini first generation days are numbered...future ios version will simply be too much for weak hardware in ipad mini. it will be obsolete faster than any apple products so far...
And which platform is offering better OS upgrade support than Apple? My original iPad did not get the 2yr later OS upgrade, true. But only a very tiny, tiny percent of Android devices ever get upgrades. I've gotten every Apple upgrade the day it was released.

The iPad 2 is still being sold. So go back a week, and folks were still buying brand new iPad's who's ability to run future iOS versions is the exact same as those buying the new iPad mini a week later. And both customers are buying into an ecosystem that's FAR AND AWAY the one with the best track record of getting OS updates actually on their devices.

Just take a guess when Amazon, will come out with a Kindle HD upgraded to the latest Android.

Come on' folks, some of you aren't even trying with your criticisms.
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And which platform is offering better OS upgrade support than Apple? My original iPad did not get the 2yr later OS upgrade, true. But only a very tiny, tiny percent of Android devices ever get upgrades. I've gotten every Apple upgrade the day it was released.
Google's gaining more control over Android with the Nexus line of devices by pushing updates directly to them the way Apple does. That's one reason why I'm going with the Nexus 7.
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Google's gaining more control over Android with the Nexus line of devices by pushing updates directly to them the way Apple does. That's one reason why I'm going with the Nexus 7.
The proportion of Nexus device sales compared to sales of Android devices by Samsung, Amazon, et. al. is minuscule. And because they sold their souls to the carriers for market share, they will never regain leverage in that relationship. Motorola can't even get Verizon to update phones that are now produced by Google itself.

Google is no more gaining control over the platform than a gnat gains control of an elephant.
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The proportion of Nexus device sales compared to sales of Android devices by Samsung, Amazon, et. al. is minuscule. And because they sold their souls to the carriers for market share, they will never regain leverage in that relationship. Motorola can't even get Verizon to update phones that are now produced by Google itself.

Google is no more gaining control over the platform than a gnat gains control of an elephant.
I don't care about non-Nexus devices or their problems.
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Device: Galaxy Player 4 (running Android 2.3 with Touch Wiz, if I'm not mistaken).
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Device: Galaxy Player 4 (running Android 2.3 with Touch Wiz, if I'm not mistaken).
It is what it is - a crippled Android device, but not as crippled as my iPod touch. The market for media players isn't that great and options are severely limited.

Now that Google is really jumping in with multiple Nexus devices, I have no intention of buying non-Nexus again. Last year at this time, that wasn't the case.

As to media players; the next time I'm in the market for one, I'll seriously consider an unlocked Nexus phone for that role. Until then, my Galaxy Player serves me well for its role - a pocket web device with turn-by-turn Google Maps navigation. I really don't care that it'll never get beyond 2.3.whatever.
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