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Old 10-16-2012, 08:15 AM   #166
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Can you guys please tell me which numbers you can see in the below picture?
5 and a boat. Now to check the answers....

Yes my answers were correct. And I took that long test you linked to, and all were correct except 2 of those were I didn't see the right block color combos in the multiple choice. So my color vision seems to be pretty good. I can't vouch for my monitor settings though LOL

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Old 10-16-2012, 08:50 AM   #167
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5 and a boat. Now to check the answers....
A boat, an, Some people see a 5, some a 2:
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The individual with normal color vision will see a 5 revealed in the dot pattern.

An individual with Red/Green (the most common) color blindness will see a 2 revealed in the dots.
I know this seemed pretty obvious, but only IF you have good color vision.

In this thread, there seem to be three groups:
The smallest one sees very faint colors, and the larger two groups see either no colors at all, or the same colors in the same areas of the screen.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:00 AM   #168
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I just wanted to show a relatively blank page.



After taking the pic, I saw that. It's not ghosting, it's part of the page.



Cranking up the light only makes it worse, but ok.

Here's 2nd try, by popular demand.
Level 24 definitely makes the faint pink areas less noticeable than level 16. Of course for many level 24 is too high. That's why I use level 22.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:07 AM   #169
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Illusions versus halucinations.

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Of course you can. I've just spent a couple of weeks listening to people like sirmaru use this 'perception' verbiage, or outright tell us that we're all too picky/too demanding/too unrealistic/[unspoken: 'crazy'] when the freaking screens are PINK AND GREEN. I've always been a huge Amazon cheerleader and the amount of money I've given them over the years, both personally and professionally, is staggering. I'm not in this just to complain about some trivial issue online because I'm bored. I really wanted the item they advertised, and I keep hoping I'll eventually get one.
I never said that anyone had halucinations if they saw color blobs. Halucinations can only be seen by a single person and are definitely in one's mind.

In contrast, illusions can be seen exactly the same by large groups and can even be photographed. They are caused by distortions of light common in desert areas and large snow and ice areas. The flying saucer detections were samples of illusions. Many folks even published photos of the flying saucers.

Illusions can be seen in photos and halucinations cannot.

Many of us see those light distortions as faint color areas. Others see them as disturbing, bright color blobs.

In addition, since most Americans have one sort of eye disorder or another, that group may see things quite differently than those with perfect vision.

Also, all of us have different tolerance levels. What may be a barely visible color shade for me may be a disturbing, dark color blob for another.

What is odd with the Paperwhite is that these problems are occurring for a large group. They never occurred in the Kindle Keyboard 3 WiFi. However, it should be noted that many of us had shorting problems with the Kindle Kbd 3 for several months and others did not have that problem.

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Old 10-16-2012, 10:07 AM   #170
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I never said that anyone had halucinations if they saw color blobs. Halucinations can only be seen by a single person and are definitely in one's mind.

In contrast, illusions can be seen exactly the same by large groups and can even be photographed. They are caused by distortions of light common in desert areas and large snow and ice areas. The flying saucer detections were samples of illusions. Many folks even published photos of the flying saucers.

Illusions can be seen in photos and halucinations cannot.
If you look up the definition of "illusion" you get: "something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality." (dictionary.com)

This isn't an "illusion" because it is a physical trait that IS reality.

Those who are color blind or have a vision disorder do not see them due to their disorder. This doesn't mean those who have good vision are seeing illusions, it means the vision disorders/color blindness is causing reality to be invisible to those with the vision issues.

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apparition, bubble*, chimera, confusion, daydream, deception, delusion, déjè vu, error, fallacy, false impression, fancy, fantasy, figment of imagination, fool's paradise, ghost, hallucination, head trip, hocus-pocus, idolism, ignus fatuus, image, invention, make-believe, mirage, misapprehension, misbelief, misconception, misimpression, mockery, myth, optical illusion, paramnesia, phantasm, pipe dream, rainbow*, seeming, semblance, trip*, virtual reality
Note that "hallucination" is included.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:57 AM   #171
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What is odd with the Paperwhite is that these problems are occurring for a large group. They never occurred in the Kindle Keyboard 3 WiFi.
Because the K3 didn't have the light layer that is causing the issue.
Not very odd.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:34 PM   #172
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I'm sorry William, but that's EXACTLY how my Paperwhite looks in the dark, if I have the light level set that low.

I tried to get pictures, but my camera sucks.

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I'm going to guess your monitor isn't calibrated, then, because that picture is seriously green/blue.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:32 PM   #173
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I'm going to guess your monitor isn't calibrated, then, because that picture is seriously green/blue.
I didn't say it wasn't green/blue. I said that this is what my Paperwhite looks like in a dark room if I put the light level at 5, like it is in the picture. Personally, I can't stand it at that light level--I leave it at 11 when I'm reading in a dark room

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Old 10-17-2012, 08:02 AM   #174
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I just got replacement #2. It is probably the best of all 3, color-splotch wise. It still has some shades of pink but they blend into the screen much better, they are far less pronounced. But now I got a tiny pin hole! It's only really annoying at full brightness, barely noticeable at dark room levels.

It's definitely not what I expected when I pre ordered this product, I never seen so many variances in brand new replacements. That said, it is still far better than using external lights at night.

I'm beginning to have guilt on the environmental impact of producing multiple Kindles, shipping them back and fourth through the country by Air - just so I can exchange a pin hole problem for a worse color splotch problem. For that reason alone I will keep concede and keep this Kindle. Amazon needs to step up their QC.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:20 PM   #175
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I just received my paperwhite today and I see many of the same issues that the "naysayers" see.

My initial review would be 3 stars, mainly because the pw somehow loses something in translation compared to the KT (K5 if you prefer). But I had the touch with the case light. The case light was horrid. Hated it. Worst reading light ever. So the PW is able to be read in many light scenarios that is the beautiful thing about it.

The comparison to the K4B with book light wasnt exactly fair. Slap a booklight to the PW and turn down the light and you should see a comparable ereader (not a better mind you). turn the light up a tad for a better experience.

So far my pw does ok in no light, and low light, and superbly in medium to high ambient light. I havent seen any colorish blobs (but do see some dark spots and havent looked very hard) The fonts dont look as crisp as I would like, but nonetheless I am going to keep it and hope for a resolution in the coming months.

I would post pictures, but I am scared you guys would sabotage my thinking of the pw so I couldnt read with it anymore
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:31 PM   #176
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I just received my paperwhite today and I see many of the same issues that the "naysayers" see.
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I would post pictures, but I am scared you guys would sabotage my thinking of the pw so I couldnt read with it anymore
I can see how you wouldn't want your perception of your screen to change! Sometimes, igorance is bliss

Glad you are happy with our unit, that's really all that matters.
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Yep, if you're happy with it, *don't* post pictures.

I'm sworn to silence on any defects I see (to him, anyway) when my SO's PW arrives tomorrow.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:50 PM   #178
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Ha, I agree, in this case ignorance really is bliss. I'm glad you're happy, volwrath.

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I'm sworn to silence on any defects I see (to him, anyway) when my SO's PW arrives tomorrow.
Make sure to let us know though. I keep hoping things mysteriously get better, even though in reality I know only new hardware can fix the color hue issues. Either way, I hope your SO is happy with his PW.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:27 AM   #179
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Yep, if you're happy with it, *don't* post pictures.

I'm sworn to silence on any defects I see (to him, anyway) when my SO's PW arrives tomorrow.
This is a funny sentence. Are you waiting for a Kindle Special Offers, or do you have a Special Offer man at home ?
(I guess you have a significant other waiting for his PW, but I wish they had special offer men. You know, the ones that cook, clean the house, get up at night when the baby is crying, get up at night when the teenager needs a ride home, get up at night when needed in general. The list being long, as a matter of fact probably endless, I'll stop here).

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Ha, I agree, in this case ignorance really is bliss. I'm glad you're happy, volwrath.
Thank you all, thank you all In all honesty, its certainly not perfect, hence my rating of 3 stars. I think PW2 probably will be what we all hoped this one would be.
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