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Old 10-08-2012, 02:00 AM   #61
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:53 AM   #62
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Those amazon stores won't send kindle to other European countries, unfortunately.
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:01 PM   #63
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Is there any way to get an i62HD in the US from a dealer in the US?
no. the only reputable dealer in the US that I would recommend http://www.pocketbookreader.com/ does not have it. Without a new distributor in the US its mostly a dead end
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Old 10-08-2012, 09:04 PM   #64
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no. the only reputable dealer in the US that I would recommend http://www.pocketbookreader.com/ does not have it. Without a new distributor in the US its mostly a dead end
Too bad. I might have considered getting one. But, I won't pay 200 euros for one.
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Too bad. I might have considered getting one. But, I won't pay 200 euros for one.
170€ actually, if you visit "currently under construction" onyx-boox.us website and read carefully the bottom line
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:43 AM   #66
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Booxtor,

I have been following the thread for quite a time now. I am a pdf reader. Just reader, no work, no multi tasking, just a lot of PDF to read for hours at a time. And I am confused. I was thinking about buyind an Amazon DX with a price point of ca. 250€. I undertsnad the limits of the stuff. Then I bumped into the Pocket Book and the ICARUS and then the M92. It seems to me that all these products are produced somewhere in China with a Chinese type of quality control, then you have reseller, somme good, some less good, some rebranding (ICARUS, IBS.It) with price all over the place, proprietary firmware or not, reguler update or not.

I am loathe to spending that much money and the depend on the goodwill of a good man who can be here one days and gone the other specifically when it seems that the product is not quite mature and improving all the time thanks to the effort of resellers and not the original company.

I have almost made up my mind that if I buy one M92, it will be from you, but to be quite honest I think I will hold on for a while.

NB: Why is there such a price delta between you PB 912 and the IBS.it PB912?
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170€ actually, if you visit "currently under construction" onyx-boox.us website and read carefully the bottom line
Does the 170€ include VAT which we don't pay in the US?
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:46 PM   #69
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So do you think this iteration of the i62 has been well developed or will they come out with another one advertising a couple of updates in just a few months?
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:00 PM   #70
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http://cme.at/e-book-reader/onyx-boo...handson-video/

LOL, just what I mentioned in my previous post:

"Es stellt sich allerdings die Frage, ob es nicht klüger wäre den zusätzlichen Lieferumfang optional wegzulassen, damit das Gerät preislich einigermaßen konkurrenzfähig wird."

Which translates to: "It would be smarter exclude all the included accessories to make the device some what competitive."

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Old 10-15-2012, 10:27 AM   #71
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LOL, just what I mentioned in my previous post:

"Es stellt sich allerdings die Frage, ob es nicht klüger wäre den zusätzlichen Lieferumfang optional wegzulassen, damit das Gerät preislich einigermaßen konkurrenzfähig wird."

Which translates to: "It would be smarter exclude all the included accessories to make the device some what competitive."
We tried to sell naked devices - less than 1% chooses them. The rest prefer whole equipment (even if the price doesn't look competitive). The way to split the scope of delivery purposely, just to be equal with competitors, is not really usere friendly. I would never suggest to buy ereader without cover. Two years ago I bought a Sony PRS650 (without WiFi) for 229€ and they offered covers separately for 69€, but I did not heard a lot of complains the price was too high - in opposite Sony had got problems to satisfy the demand.

Politics of satisfying of bargain hunting people is just bad. Following this politics how can we develop something special, offer good support if we permanently have to slash our staff, lower the quality etc..
We know we cannot compete with content selling companies w.r.t. their prices for hardware. But I don't think Amazon will keep developing of a proper reading device for professionals, students, engineers since they are reading mostly different stuff as Amazons target customers. We hope to do that eventually.
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We tried to sell naked devices - less than 1% chooses them. The rest prefer whole equipment (even if the price doesn't look competitive). The way to split the scope of delivery purposely, just to be equal with competitors, is not really usere friendly. I would never suggest to buy ereader without cover. Two years ago I bought a Sony PRS650 (without WiFi) for 229€ and they offered covers separately for 69€, but I did not heard a lot of complains the price was too high - in opposite Sony had got problems to satisfy the demand.

Politics of satisfying of bargain hunting people is just bad. Following this politics how can we develop something special, offer good support if we permanently have to slash our staff, lower the quality etc..
We know we cannot compete with content selling companies w.r.t. their prices for hardware. But I don't think Amazon will keep developing of a proper reading device for professionals, students, engineers since they are reading mostly different stuff as Amazons target customers. We hope to do that eventually.
I'm not referring to "bargain hunting people" neither is the article. It just states that it the device needs to stay competitive. Sure you can't compete with the Kindle as Amazon is losing approx. 10 USD on every device, but 200 EUR! That's insane...Now, I believe in a free market and that you should have every right to sell you product at any price you want, but I and other don't think it's really that compelling of an offer.
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Sure you can't compete with the Kindle as Amazon is losing approx. 10 USD on every device, but 200 EUR! That's insane...
Insane? Yes and no. The European market for eReaders seems to have been decoupled from the US/international market for some time. I noticed this when I bought my first eReader (a Pocketbook 360) a couple of years ago. Although most of the online retailers were European, by far the cheapest was American (though I think PB have since withdrawn from the American market).

I had the same experience with my i62HD -- buying it direct from China was considerably cheaper than any of the European retailers.

I don't know what source this apparent pervasive price differential arises from (tax, regulatory costs, differentiated distributor pricing, etc?), nor whether it will survive the entry of the larger loss-leading/eBook-retailer-attached players into the European market (nor whether its demise will likewise lead to the demise of independent eReader brands). I do know that it's currently a fact of life.

I think in this case there is a degree of truth in the old cliche: "don't blame the player, blame the game".

Another aspect is that not only are "Amazon ... losing approx. 10 USD on every device", but they're doing so after economies of scale likely to be far better than any independent brand (with far smaller volumes) can hope to achieve. The non-monetary benefits of moving outside the monoculture comes at a monetary price.
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well for me a higher price is ok, as far as it is reflected in better features such as an "open system" expandable storage and the fact that i'm not bound to some kind of big market and can read all the files i want to no matter from where they are.
I think it is great that there are companies who build products that not match the standard customer wich only wants to read prosa.
I'm almost a M.D. and the benefit from a device like M92 is so great. Give me nice colours and i'll pay a higher price. some wise guy said once: "don't try to save money on important tools"
In my case the reader becomes more and more a necessary tool.
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