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Old 09-14-2012, 04:49 PM   #436
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Could you please state, for posterity, that you think form is entirely separate from function?
I very much doubt that posterity has any interest in what I have to say.

And I, equally, have no interest in your opinion of me. So, whatever facile trap you thought you were setting, I will decline to give you the satisfaction.
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Seems a bit rich to sue Samsung over form then.

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Clever, but somehow Microsoft has managed to pursue a radically different vision of what a smartphone should be. You should hear Marko Ahtisaari talk about the purity of the design language of the Lumia and Win 8.
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I very much doubt that posterity has any interest in what I have to say.

And I, equally, have no interest in your opinion of me. So, whatever facile trap you thought you were setting, I will decline to give you the satisfaction.
Ah. Thought so.
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You bring out a new product worthy of upgrade from the previous model and you can capture new customers. You come out with the iPhone 5 and new customers go elsewhere.
This does appear to be the thing that both the pro-Apple and pro-Android commentators agree on. That the iPhone 5 is a reasonable upgrade for existing iPhone owners but doesn't seem to offer a compelling reason for Android owners to switch.

By extension that would also mean that it hasn't put clear water between itself and its competition when attracting first time smartphone buyers.

It will be interesting to see if this recaptures market share for Apple, or whether the (no doubt) massive sales of the phone are largely to existing iPhone users.

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This does appear to be the thing that both the pro-Apple and pro-Android commentators agree on. That the iPhone 5 is a reasonable upgrade for existing iPhone owners but doesn't seem to offer a compelling reason for Android owners to switch.

By extension that would also mean that it hasn't put clear water between itself and its competition when attracting first time smartphone buyers.

It will be interesting to see if this recaptures market share for Apple, or whether the (no doubt) massive sales of the phone are largely to existing iPhone users.

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Compelling reasons to switch lie beyond the spec sheet, in things that foghat mentioned were important to him, like seamless integration, "it just works" experience, and a rich content ecosystem.

I predict that the iPhone 5 will steal market share from other mobile OSes in the United States, and probably in Canada and Europe as well. Likely not in the rest of the world due to simple economics.
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Initial sales of the iPhone 5 will be upgrades. After that, we'll just have to wait and see.
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I predict that the iPhone 5 will steal market share from other mobile OSes in the United States, and probably in Canada and Europe as well. Likely not in the rest of the world due to simple economics.
In Canada, over the past year, Android has gone from 19% to 34% and is now the leading OS.

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In Canada, over the past year, Android has gone from 19% to 34% and is now the leading OS.

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Compelling reasons to switch lie beyond the spec sheet, in things that foghat mentioned were important to him, like seamless integration, "it just works" experience, and a rich content ecosystem.
But those things have not really changed with the iPhone 5, they were the existing reasons to switch to the iPhone.

New customers have been given that choice of ecosystem for the last couple of years, and have been choosing Android in spite of it. There's been a dip in Apple market share as buyers wait for the iPhone 5, but I'll hazard a guess that it is existing iPhone owners who have been waiting to upgrade who have caused that slowdown.

I doubt that a significant number of new smartphone buyers have decided to hold off for most of this year waiting for the iPhone 5. They'd just have gone for the existing iPhone.

EDIT: Just realised there's a problem in my logic there, as existing users holding off would affect sales but not overall market share. But it's getting late I'm too tired to think it through!

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The trend is clear, Android up. And the same applies all over the world, with the exception of US.
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But those things have not really changed with the iPhone 5, they were the existing reasons to switch to the iPhone.

New customers have been given that choice of ecosystem for the last couple of years, and have been choosing Android in spite of it. There's been a dip in Apple market share as buyers wait for the iPhone 5, but I'll hazard a guess that it is existing iPhone owners who have been waiting to upgrade who have caused that slowdown.

I doubt that a significant number of new smartphone buyers have decided to hold off for most of this year waiting for the iPhone 5. They'd just have gone for the existing iPhone.

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You are right that these are nothing new, though they are getting better all the time: now iCloud is built into everything and the app store is getting bigger.

However, it sounds like you're assuming that everyone without an iPhone is using Android. In fact, less than half the population of the US owns a smartphone (source). I think those are the people Apple is really going after.

Moreover, if you look at sales figures for Verizon and AT&T, iPhones represent almost three quarters of all models sold. It is far and away the most popular device in the country. The only reason it can look otherwise is that its critics like to compare iOS (3 phones) to all of Android (200+ phones). Hardly a relevant comparison.

Apple is destroying every one of its competitors at the moment.
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The trend is clear, Android up. And the same applies all over the world, with the exception of US.
Android is up in Canada at the expense of RIM, not Apple. I stand by my prediction.
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However, it sounds like you're assuming that everyone without an iPhone is using Android. In fact, less than half the population of the US owns a smartphone (source). I think those are the people Apple is really going after.
Not at all. That was exactly my point. The global trend is clear that in spite of Apple's attractive ecosystem more first time buyers are choosing Android over Apple.

I was questioning whether the iPhone 5 was sufficiently compelling to change that as there really aren't significant improvements to the ecosystem with this release compared to features that the competing giants of Amazon and Google are already offering.

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Not at all. That was exactly my point. The global trend is clear that in spite of Apple's attractive ecosystem more first time buyers are choosing Android over Apple.

I was questioning whether the iPhone 5 was sufficiently compelling to change that as there really aren't significant improvements to the ecosystem with this release compared to features that the competing giants of Amazon and Google are already offering.

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Rather than features, I think it comes down to price.
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