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Old 09-14-2012, 10:52 AM   #16
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HADOPI is enacted, digital sales go up 25% -- during a recession. Physical media sales have been dropping for years, so it's no surprise that continued. And of course, on that basis ghacks provides an extensive bullet list, for which there is as little evidence as for the industry assumptions that "every download is a lost sale." Yes, very conclusive evidence....
You are talking about 2009, right, and Music industry grew in 13 markets in 2009..

There is absolutely no evidence that the growth in France was due to HADOPI.

It's like saying that if a person empties a glass of water into the sea when the tide rises the action is responsible for the for the rise in water level.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:06 PM   #17
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Here's an info graph that shows the before and after effects of Hadopi:



Not really as clear a trend line as Kali Yuga's post would have had me believe. And actually, revenue from music declined slightly in 2011 even though digital sales increased.

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Old 09-14-2012, 02:15 PM   #18
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:32 PM   #19
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His account, his network, his responsibility.

If the guy's computer got nailed by a virus and was cranking out massive amounts of spam, fixing that situation would be his responsibility -- even though he did not make a conscious decision to become a spammer.

Not to mention the fine is practically a slap on the wrist. It's a bit disingenuous to go nuclear over a $190 fine.



It's being shut down for political reasons, not based on its effectiveness. Sarkozy set up HADOPI, and he lost the election to his Socialist rival Hollande, who will probably shut it down.
I am still trying to understand whether you are being sarcastic or not.
You couldn't possibly be thinking that someone should be legally responsible for someone else hijacking their PC... or could you?
I mean... if someone steals my car and uses to commit a robbery, should I go to jail?
You MUST be kidding.
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I liked the old days best, when you would download music from a radio station to a bunch of cassete tapes. RIAA and the like seemed to not care.
Oh, they did. In fact home taping killed the music industry in the 1970s.
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Oh, they did. In fact home taping killed the music industry in the 1970s.
And here I thought it was Disco and that Duck.
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:37 PM   #22
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Oh, they did. In fact home taping killed the music industry in the 1970s.
Here's an ad from 1930:



And the slogan from an ad campaign in the 1980s



And a relatively recent Greek slogan that reads "Piracy Kills Music":



Progress: Killing the music industry for more than 80 years.

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Old 09-14-2012, 05:26 PM   #23
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Old 09-14-2012, 05:40 PM   #24
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I think he's talking about this one...

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I mean... if someone steals my car and uses to commit a robbery, should I go to jail?
No, but when you let someone drive your car and they get a parking ticket, you should pay it.

Note that parking tickets are given out on the first strike.

If you reported your car stolen at the time, that will indeed be a strong defense. If you claim someone must have taken your car on a joyride, the judge will have to decide on your credibility.

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In any case, the law cost $11 billion per year . . .
This definitely calls for the old "cite, please."
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Here's an info graph that shows the before and after effects of Hadopi:



Not really as clear a trend line as Kali Yuga's post would have had me believe. And actually, revenue from music declined slightly in 2011 even though digital sales increased.
And you've really got to crack down on the 2-year old internet users cited as part of the sample...
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:16 AM   #28
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:42 AM   #29
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Oh, they did. In fact home taping killed the music industry in the 1970s.
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And the slogan from an ad campaign in the 1980s



Progress: Killing the music industry for more than 80 years.
They might have tried to discourage it and blatantly lied in the process, but they didn't ever take someone to court and fine them for taping a handful of songs off the radio though, did they?
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$190 is ridiculously lenient. They are doing him a favor. If they extradite him to the US and leave him to the tender mercies of the **AA, he'd be paying $600,000 for sharing 12 songs.
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