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Old 07-20-2012, 08:06 AM   #31
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In all fairness... there was no need to google, even. I posted the link for Liz' blog after the first request for it. In post #6.
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Some of the difficulty new users have is the search engine. I love everything about this site but its terrible search engine. It simply doesn't retrieve material that is here.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:22 AM   #33
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The search engine can have some improvement, but when I search for 'epub3 video' around the third hit give a code example how to do it. No rocket science involved there.
For some searches the more advanced version needs to be used.

*Edit: It is actually the fourth link.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:00 PM   #34
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ePub 3 has some advantages for "normal" books too, like HTML5 syntax (potentially simpler than XHTML), support for additional CSS properties (like text-transform), possible inline TOC (replacing NCX)...

If I had a well-behaved ePub 3 reader, I'd be creating ePub 3 books already.
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:30 PM   #35
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ePub 3 has some advantages for "normal" books too, like HTML5 syntax (potentially simpler than XHTML), support for additional CSS properties (like text-transform), possible inline TOC (replacing NCX)...

If I had a well-behaved ePub 3 reader, I'd be creating ePub 3 books already.
I doubt HTML5 is simpler then XHTML. Also, the ePub3 ToC is more difficult then the NCX ToC. Overall, ePub3 (IMHO) ePub3 is not easier then ePub. Plus, there are not many tools to help with ePub3. And given that there are no real readers for ePub3, making eBooks now in ePub3 is a total waste of time and effort as nobody will be reading them.
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I doubt HTML5 is simpler then XHTML.
You'd be wrong.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:24 PM   #37
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You could also try browsing http://code.google.com/p/epub-samples/ for samples of ePub3 files. Look at the Samples Listing link http://code.google.com/p/epub-sample...SamplesListing for all the samples they have.

Each sample let you either download the ePub file or browse the source.

These samples were found by Googling for sample epub3.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:59 PM   #38
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You'd be wrong.
Please prove to me how I would be incorrect.
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:45 AM   #39
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You could also try browsing http://code.google.com/p/epub-samples/ for samples of ePub3 files. Look at the Samples Listing link http://code.google.com/p/epub-sample...SamplesListing for all the samples they have.

Each sample let you either download the ePub file or browse the source.

These samples were found by Googling for sample epub3.
Thanks, Peter. That's a potentially very useful pair of URLs.

If I'd been clever enough to google for sample ePub3 instead of example ePub3 I'd have found it myself.
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:57 AM   #40
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Please prove to me how I would be incorrect.
"Minimal" XHTML 1.1:

Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
<head>
  <title>Chapter X</title>
  <link href="css/style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" />
</head>
<body>

<h1>Chapter X</h1>

<p>It was a dark and stormy night...</p>

</body>
</html>
"Minimal" HTML5:

Code:
<!DOCTYPE html> 
<html lang="en"> 
<head> 
  <meta charset="utf-8" /> 
  <link href="css/style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" />
</head>
<body> 

<h1>Chapter X</h1>

<p>It was a dark and stormy night...</p>

</body> 
</html>
A small gain, but simpler anyway.
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:23 PM   #41
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Granted, the header is simpler, but after the header, what's simpler?
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Old 07-21-2012, 05:45 PM   #42
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I would say simpler to understand but more difficult to code. HTML5 uses semantics and groupings with semantic boundaries which could easily make it more difficult initially but more powerful. IMHO it is more readable since it discourages the incessant use of <div> all over the place which makes understand much more difficult.

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I do think the ePub3 TOC method is superior to the ePub2 version. For one thing it is pure html instead of a different standard of ncx format. It is more powerful in that you user can control how far down the TOC levels should descend and it is solves the problem of inline TOC verse external TOC since the same file can be used for both. Unfortunately the ncx debacle will still be with us to support ePub2 readers for a while.
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I would say simpler to understand but more difficult to code. HTML5 uses semantics and groupings with semantic boundaries which could easily make it more difficult initially but more powerful. IMHO it is more readable since it discourages the incessant use of <div> all over the place which makes understand much more difficult.
I challenge the word "discourage". I think the most appropriate wording is "it offers a systematically-established semantic-oriented way of replacing the <div>'s".

In other words: HTML5 offers uniform, very detailed tags to mark the semantics of your document, even though it does not disallow "bad (i.e., non-semantic) usage" of generic elements like <div>.

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I challenge the word "discourage". I think the most appropriate wording is "it offers a systematically-established semantic-oriented way of replacing the <div>'s".

In other words: HTML5 offers uniform, very detailed tags to mark the semantics of your document, even though it does not disallow "bad (i.e., non-semantic) usage" of generic elements like <div>.
Yea, I can go with that. It sounds much better and means the same thing.

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