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Old 06-22-2012, 03:17 PM   #256
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I await with bated breath ...
By the way, you use ... incorrectly. there should not be a space before or after.

Also, why would you want to eat worms?

And to answer your question that I did not quote, the answer is errata.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:00 PM   #257
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I think I will go with the majority of sources, which advocate the use of a space before and after ellipses ...
But, again, who says style should be an issue in a discussion such as this?
Is there a style guide that MobileRead Forums recommends? Is there a dictionary that is supposed to be used by participants?
If there are, then why don't people use them? If there are, then I would gladly use them for the sake of consistency.
Is there a moderator who enforces the use of a style guide or a dictionary in these pages? Does the moderator state that the serial comma MUST be used before a submission will be allowed to appear?

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Old 06-22-2012, 05:15 PM   #258
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I would have thought all the "proofreaders" around the joint would have jumped on that one right from the word "go".
But, being a professional proofreader with about 50 years' experience, what would I know?
I really am confused about what you are trying to achieve with your posts in this thread. The general theme seems to be that the original release of LoTR had errors in, that shouldn't have happened in such a long awaited text; the final text should have been proof read by a professional.

You seem to be advocating that it shouldn't have been proofread at all, because 'modern' internet-speak has done away accepted grammatical rules and/or spelling.

I've obviously missed something, but you haven't gone out of your way to present a clear message.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:48 PM   #259
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As such I blame you for my ebooks containing mistakes. How dare you sell me ebooks full of errata ?

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I would have thought all the "proofreaders" around the joint would have jumped on that one right from the word "go".
But, being a professional proofreader with about 50 years' experience, what would I know?
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:07 PM   #260
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Once upon a time (like all good fairy stories start out), editing and proofreading were regarded as essential in the production of a text.
These days, that dictum has gone the way of the dodo and the invasive, pervasive influence of the internet/social media ensures it will never again be anywhere as important as it once was.
As such, I rest my case, m'lud.

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Old 06-22-2012, 07:19 PM   #261
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I think I will go with the majority of sources, which advocate the use of a space before and after ellipses ...
But, again, who says style should be an issue in a discussion such as this?
Is there a style guide that MobileRead Forums recommends? Is there a dictionary that is supposed to be used by participants?
If there are, then why don't people use them? If there are, then I would gladly use them for the sake of consistency.
Is there a moderator who enforces the use of a style guide or a dictionary in these pages? Does the moderator state that the serial comma MUST be used before a submission will be allowed to appear?
Correct styling is part of proofreading. As for ellipses, in an eBook, there should be a non-breaking space before and after each . unless you have say a " after the last dot. If you don't use a non-breaking space, then your spacing can be off and that is wrong.

Spaces before and after —. Using – instead and putting spaces around is wrong.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:21 PM   #262
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Once upon a time (like all good fairy stories start out), editing and proofreading were regarded as essential in the production of a text.
These days, that dictum has gone the way of the dodo and the invasive, pervasive influence of the internet/social media ensures it will never again be anywhere as important as it once was.
As such, I rest my case, m'lud.
What a load of crap!
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Old 06-23-2012, 01:38 AM   #263
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OK. Have it your way. I'm just glad you're not paying my freight.
There used to be a saying in a newspaper I worked in when there was any sort of conflict of ideas: There are two ways through this; there's the right way, and there's the wrong way. And then, of course, there's your way.

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Old 06-23-2012, 04:01 AM   #264
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:55 AM   #265
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Doesn't worry me ... I'm outa here.
How could I possibly compete with a 29,000-plus poster?
Just one final thought: how would the "proofreader" members punctuate a statement like "This animal eats roots shoots and leaves"?

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Old 06-23-2012, 05:25 AM   #266
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How could I possibly compete with a 29,000-plus poster?
Easily?

I do not think anybody care about number of posts here.
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Old 06-23-2012, 06:57 AM   #267
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Ok guys let us get back on topic please.
So if anybody spots any errors in the LOTR books, let the rest of us know please. Or has this huge book come to be 100% error free ?
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One of the oldest schools in the world, and one which undoubtedly gives a good, if not superior, education is Winchester College. Of particular note is the school motto, "Manners Makyth Man".

There is more to a good education than learning the proper plural form of Latin nouns.
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Ok guys let us get back on topic please.
So if anybody spots any errors in the LOTR books, let the rest of us know please. Or has this huge book come to be 100% error free ?
The only remaining error I know about is the erroneous hyphen in Dunadan.

But there are undoubtedly more errors, most likely in the Appendices which are very complex.

One problem with the current ebook version is the use of small graphics for the in-line runes. There are small bitmaps, so they don't resize with the text.

I hope that these will eventually be replaced with resizing SVG graphics, or perhaps with a custom font, in a new ebook edition. The Appendices could really benefit from this too. I might be persuaded to spend on a new edition if it was done really well.
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One problem with the current ebook version is the use of small graphics for the in-line runes. There are small bitmaps, so they don't resize with the text.

I hope that these will eventually be replaced with resizing SVG graphics, or perhaps with a custom font, in a new ebook edition. The Appendices could really benefit from this too.
This almost sounds like a challenge! LOTR is almost at the top of my to-read list (for the first time on the ereader). I'll keep it in the back of my mind...

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