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Old 05-05-2012, 07:03 AM   #31
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Personally I'm of the opinion that sci-fi is for EVERYBODY regardless of gender.
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:33 AM   #32
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ELFWRECK! There's one that I didn't know was a woman!

Maybe we need a separate thread just for a discussion of "are you a woman?"

I think Never Let Me Go makes an excellent book club book. We discussed it in an online book club (of women) and it was one of our best discussions. Not everyone liked it, though!

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Old 05-05-2012, 10:14 AM   #33
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You confirm my suspicions that sci-fi liking women exist. For my part, I know a girl who routinely reads fantasy but will go "ewwww !" as soon as you label something as science fiction. It doesn't matter how light - Philip Dick and Robert Sheckley barely mention any technical details, but she will have none of that ;-).
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:15 AM   #34
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(like, the fact that women sometimes have conversations among themselves that aren't about men)
You mean, like, about vacuuming and stuff?
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:49 AM   #35
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You mean, like, about vacuuming and stuff?
You are sooooo evil!
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:04 AM   #36
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:38 PM   #37
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ELFWRECK! There's one that I didn't know was a woman!
My Dreamwidth blog is linked in my sig. Nobody at DW thinks I'm male.

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You confirm my suspicions that sci-fi liking women exist. For my part, I know a girl who routinely reads fantasy but will go "ewwww !" as soon as you label something as science fiction. It doesn't matter how light - Philip Dick and Robert Sheckley barely mention any technical details, but she will have none of that ;-).
It's not about technical details; it's about the focus of the story. I like both Dick and Sheckley, but they both write stories steeped in the assumption that there's no reason to describe what's going on with the women except as it relates to the men. Women who want to imagine themselves involved in the story tend to skip those if they don't already understand the setting.

Try suggesting:
  • McCaffrey's Dragonrider books;
  • Bradley's Darkover series, esp. the Renunciates trilogy. (Shattered Chain, Thendara House, City of Sorcery)
  • Sheri S. Tepper's books; Gibbon's Decline and Fall if she likes modern "non-genre" literature, or Beauty if she's into history or folklore;
  • Connie Willis' Doomsday Book if she's involved in academia or medicine;
  • Spider & Jeanne Robinson's Starchild Trilogy if she's involved in dance (but not otherwise, if she's SF-averse);
  • Elgin's Native Tongue trilogy if she's interested in languages or politics;
  • Lichtenberg's Sime~Gen series if she enjoys vampire stories.


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You mean, like, about vacuuming and stuff?
What? Pffft. No. We only talk about vacuuming when we think men can hear us. We talk about shoes when we're alone.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:13 PM   #38
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I think that any girl who grew up when Star Trek was in its heyday "likes" science fiction. But it's like sports - we're not necessarily interested in every single stat on every single player of a team we like, so we don't really care about the mass/velocity/time computations that some authors love to include to add veracity, or the loving recreations of the firepower of each and every type of weaponry carried. We're reading the books from the estrogen POV, not the testosterone one.

We tend to take a holistic approach to the story, and look for the links, similarities and differences. We're curious as to the emotions of the characters and to what formed them into the beings they are. We can enjoy a fight as much as the next person, whether it's a space battle or one-on-one combat, but most of us never waged mock battles with squadrons of green army men when we were kids so we tend to look at the participants as individuals and not as mere cogs in the wheel. So endless battles, while entertaining to military historians, can quickly pall.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:19 PM   #39
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I think Xanthe explained very well how many (not all) women feel about science fiction.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:07 PM   #40
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I also recommend Bujold's Shards of Honor and Barrayar.

Others that I think women would like include:

Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern
Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series
Elizabeth Moon's Seranno/Suiza Series
Katherine Rusch's Retrieval Artist Series

My wife reads a lot of scifi and fantasy, so we have a great shared bookcase!
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:47 PM   #41
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Sexism and over generalization....alive and well.

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How 'bout that. That always surprises me on forums, when the user name isn't decidedly gender-identifiable....
Soo...on forums you just assume everyone is a man unless their handle makes it clear they're a lady? Really?

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Girls at my local fantasy/SF club keep praising the books about Honor Harrington, by David Weber. Female protagonist.

Girls/women tend to dislike technical topics and science, so you're really looking for space opera, not hard SF.
Seriously?
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"Sci-fi that appeals to women" is a drastically different category from "sci-fi that appeals to people who don't normally read sci-fi."
AGREED.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:29 PM   #42
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Kea's Flight by John C Ricker and Erika Hammerschmidt. Amazon UK


A whole new take on population and abortion issues, set in a dystopian future not so far from our own. The standpoint from which the book is written is that of a young girl growing up with a perceived disability in a work in which potentially disabled foetuses are grown to birth date in an uterine replicator, then shipped off to a new planet, growing up on the spaceship. Thought provoking, well written, and even witty. Well worth getting.

This thread has provoked me to read this book again. Time well spent.

More science in this one:
Actually three books, set in the Liaden universe Fledgling, Saltation, and Ghost Ship, by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller. I was possibly influenced by the respect with which pilots are treated by the other characters. Again, a book with a teenage girl as the protagonist. Somewhat YA, but none the worse for that.
Baen and elsewhere
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Old 05-05-2012, 06:11 PM   #43
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Actually three books, set in the Liaden universe Fledgling, Saltation, and Ghost Ship, by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller. I was possibly influenced by the respect with which pilots are treated by the other characters. Again, a book with a teenage girl as the protagonist. Somewhat YA, but none the worse for that.
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The fourth book, Dragon Ship, comes out in Sept. IIRC. It's out now as an e-Arc.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:45 PM   #44
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I know Ursula Le Guin has already been mentioned, but I would like to recommend her also. I don't read a great deal of SF, and I'm certainly not interested in the technology and space battles sort of book.

I think Le Guin is a wonderful writer, and her books are really about relationships and the age-old dilemmas of being human. I'll second "The Left Hand of Darkness" in particular - a great book about understanding the "other". And for a short story, try "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas".
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:00 AM   #45
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Soo...on forums you just assume everyone is a man unless their handle makes it clear they're a lady? Really?
1. No, if you were paying attention, you'll note I sometimes assume they are the Cookie Monster.
2. No user name has made it clear anyone is a lady. Sometimes it makes it pretty clear they may be a woman, though.

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So, since you agree with that sexist generalization, I guess your opening line was a self reference.
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