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Old 04-27-2012, 12:11 PM   #136
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Could you be a little more specific, please? Not that we don't trust you to keep your word, but it could avoid some embarrassing back-peddling.
Hey, its written. Bookmark the post.
Maybe I should ask for you to specifically support DRM if there are significant losses to casual sharing.
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Maybe I should ask for you to specifically support DRM if there are significant losses to casual sharing.
Gotcha, so when you say "If there are no significant losses", you are are claiming the Humpty Dumpty rule.
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Hey, its written. Bookmark the post.
Maybe I should ask for you to specifically support DRM if there are significant losses to casual sharing.
If, after going DRM free at or below their current ebook prices, TOR's ebook sales over the following year do not increase by at least 75% of the general ebook market unit increase (Or SF/Fantasy category increase if that is, by then, counted separately), I will cease to advocate for DRM free ebooks, and, indeed, I'll recommend that publishers should keep DRM on their ebooks.

Can I take it that you will take the opposite side of this?
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:31 PM   #139
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If, after going DRM free at or below their current ebook prices, TOR's ebook sales over the following year do not increase by at least 75% of the general ebook market unit increase (Or SF/Fantasy category increase if that is, by then, counted separately), I will cease to advocate for DRM free ebooks, and, indeed, I'll recommend that publishers should keep DRM on their ebooks.

Can I take it that you will take the opposite side of this?
Not really, because the Tor editors make it clear that they think their current prices are just fine, and Macmillan supports agency pricing. You are moving the goal posts.
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Gotcha, so when you say "If there are no significant losses", you are are claiming the Humpty Dumpty rule.
Nope, I am willing to go by whatever the book industry thinks is significant . If its significant, then Tor.com will say so.
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Not really, because the Tor editors make it clear that they think their current prices are just fine, and Macmillan supports agency pricing. You are moving the goal posts.
Sorry? Where am I moving goalposts. I said at prices "at or below" (bold added). I'm just saying that if TOR go DRM free and at the same time raise prices by $1 across the board, I'm not going to be bound.
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Not really, because the Tor editors make it clear that they think their current prices are just fine, and Macmillan supports agency pricing. You are moving the goal posts.
No he is trying to put them up, but you won't specify where they should be or how wide.
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Sorry? Where am I moving goalposts. I said at prices "at or below" (bold added). I'm just saying that if TOR go DRM free and at the same time raise prices by $1 across the board, I'm not going to be bound.
OK, I missed the "at". Sorry. I might want to take you up on that. I'll think about it. Dunno if your measure would really indicate what significant losses would be.
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Dunno if your measure would really indicate what significant losses would be.
Feel free to suggest another measure.
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What a great thread... just wish some people would make their minds up... all over MR, we have preaching of the evils of DRM and now a major imprint is abolishing it - cries of joy and great celebration - not really, more moans and groans...
No moans or groans here. This is great. Tor (and Baen ebooks, now that I know) will be getting my business.
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Sorry? Where am I moving goalposts. I said at prices "at or below" (bold added). I'm just saying that if TOR go DRM free and at the same time raise prices by $1 across the board, I'm not going to be bound.
Pending the outcome of litigation Amazon could and probably will lower prices.
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