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Old 03-18-2012, 06:58 PM   #16
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:03 PM   #17
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From what I understand the PARC interface was rather convoluted though. Like you had to click one of the three mouse buttons to start a selection, then a different one to complete it.

And to be clear PARC did not develop the mouse itself. That was created more than half a decade earlier by a man named Douglas Engelbart (who envisioned it to be used alongside a chorded keyboard).
No argument on either count, but still the modern GUI interface (even with a 3 button mouse), was designed and tested there. Designing and testing human/computer interfaces was what PARC was for. Credit where credit is due.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:48 AM   #18
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I started using mac because in 1996 because PC had no colour management at all. I am not talking simple monitor calibration but a colour managed workflow from raw camera input to cmyk profiled output.

Then kept going on mac because the high end cameras used firewire and the pc firewire implementation was so weak that camera manufacturers didnt write software for PC.

Now of course I use mac because I am a shallow stupid hipster that wants to impress others with my disposable income. Who knew
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:31 AM   #19
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This made me chuckle. Like he/she is the only hipster using a Macbook.
Soo, does a hipster use a Macbook ironically?
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:06 AM   #20
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The article is almost one year old, just like the survey it's based on. Why is this in the news section?
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:14 AM   #21
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The article is almost one year old, just like the survey it's based on. Why is this in the news section?
Because someone posted it here...
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:21 AM   #22
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Because someone posted it here...
.. and because there's no "Breaking news only" stipulation I'm aware of.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:34 AM   #23
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.. and because there's no "Breaking news only" stipulation I'm aware of.
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After 11 months it isn't really "latest".
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:37 AM   #24
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After 11 months it isn't really "latest".
Semantics.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:27 PM   #25
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I know. They price compare the entry level Apple products to mainstream/brand name PCs ignoring the fact that 1) there are less expensive PCs, and 2) PCs go on sale.
Entry level, avoid mac. However, last time I did some realistic price comparison of higher end machines, a Mac Pro was within $50 of the comparable Dell.

I do think it is stupid that Apple has forsaken the lower end market. Most people don't want to spend $1500 on a decent machine. (yes, I know that there are cheaper macs, but that is about the point at which you're not getting raped by the Apple tax)
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:49 PM   #26
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Entry level, avoid mac. However, last time I did some realistic price comparison of higher end machines, a Mac Pro was within $50 of the comparable Dell.

I do think it is stupid that Apple has forsaken the lower end market. Most people don't want to spend $1500 on a decent machine. (yes, I know that there are cheaper macs, but that is about the point at which you're not getting raped by the Apple tax)
$50? !

typically you'll pay double for an intel with an apple on it...and get less.

jobs was first and foremost a marketer, but he knew what he wanted and marketed his company to the people he wanted to hire. got them. and did some real innovation through them. he's far more the innovator than gates ever was.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:54 PM   #27
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$50? !

typically you'll pay double for an intel with an apple on it...and get less.
I don't believe this is accurate. Every time I've done this comparison, the equivalently specced PC has been very nearly the same price. And sometimes more expensive.
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Apple has margins that Dell would kill for. Which company has better financial results? Nothing stupid about that! Apple may never dabble properly in the low end. I think that would be the 'death of the canary in the coal mine,' when Apple is no longer a growth company and starts scrambling for "value."

Their prices are competitive on some of the high end goods, for example MacBook Airs. Most similar-spec PC's that are cheaper are not as well built. The more powerful Sonys (high-end Vaio) are much more expensive and not everyone will agree they have a similar build quality.

The tablet market is evolving but the last generation had a few contenders at the same or nearly the same price. Latest iPad reviews are quite favorable even if they didn't bump the essential speed of the device. Feels like only the next version of the Asus Transformer has a shot at taking some share from the iPad, aside from those who are dedicated to Android OS already.
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I don't believe this is accurate. Every time I've done this comparison, the equivalently specced PC has been very nearly the same price. And sometimes more expensive.

welp, do it today. show your work. i double-dog dare ya
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welp, do it today. show your work. i double-dog dare ya
You were the one making the claim. I dispute your claim. You should do the leg work.

But I'll do half of it for you.

iMac:
21.5" 1920x1080 resolution screen
2.5GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
4GB RAM
500GB Hard drive
AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB
Bluetooth multi-touch mouse or trackpad
Bluetooth keyboard
Firewire and thunderbolt interfaces
web camera
Small desk footprint

Bundled Software:
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iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband
Mail, iCal, Addressbook
Time Machine backup software

tech specs are here: http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

Note that this machine hasn't changed in price since it was released nearly a year ago. You should find this an easy challenge.

$1199.

Please find something similar in a Windows PC for $599 (half price). Full Windows 7 please, and roughly equivalent bundled software.
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