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Old 03-08-2012, 01:16 AM   #1
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But I thought piracy was killing media? music/game sales up

Record PC Games Sales in 2011

"Per the press release put out today by the organization, PC game sales have risen globally by 15% year-over-year in 2011, reaching a record $18.6 billion. Also noted is the continued growth of the PC games market in China, whose year-over-year growth hit 27%, or $6 billion. "

"The Alliance has high hopes for the PC business in the future. The belief is that "growing access to broadband connections and the increasing ease of digital distribution delivery solutions and payment" will elevate growth to 37%, or $25.5 billion by 2015."

http://pc.ign.com/articles/122/1220114p1.html


Music sales stage comeback; CD buyers up for second year


“After years of losing buyers, caused by many consumers who simply stopped buying music, the total number of CD buyers increased for the second consecutive year, growing 2% to 78 million [in 2011],” the company said."

"Total music-track sales rose 4% last year, the first gain in many years. Paid download buyers increased 14% in 2011, to 45 million customers. "

"One other thing has clearly helped the music industry claw its way back to growth – a decline in piracy. The NPD report also noted a decline in unpaid music acquisition, such as P2P file sharing and trading music on hard drives. NPD estimates that 13% of Internet users downloaded music from a P2P site in 2011, down from a peak of 19% in 2006. In addition to giving customers more legitimate sources to find music, the industry has worked hard to crack down on file sharing sites."

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell...r-second-year/


the industry will tout their laughable anti-piracy measures but to me theres clearly a connection between 'more legitimate sources to find music' and the decline in piracy.

i'd be interested in seeing if drm free pubs like baen have also seen an increase.
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Old 03-08-2012, 01:29 AM   #2
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But it is not enough for them. They NEED to make more money and you know, all those downloads are all lost sales. They have the (doctored) figures to show us all!
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I agree that more legitimate sources for media in a form that the consumer wants will undercut piracy. I also believe that the value of DRM is questionable in reducing piracy (and may even encourage it when it restricts consumer's access to legitimate sources).

Still, I had the urge to play with the numbers on PC gaming. If you subtract China from the equation, worldwide growth was closer to 7.5%. Still good, IMHO, but it is a good demonstration of how one market can completely alter the figures.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:37 AM   #4
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Red face So I got it wrong ?

I rather innocently thought, when I first dived into the seething world that is ereading, that DRM kind of stood for "Don't Read Me" - on any other reader but ours, even though you prefer it, and might think it better than ours, which may well be true .........

And of course, it greatly increases ( here we go, the hoary old chestnut) "consumer choice", dunnit ..........
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Heh, we read what we want to read. This is the last paragraph in the music article:


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One other thing has clearly helped the music industry claw its way back to growth – a decline in piracy. The NPD report also noted a decline in unpaid music acquisition, such as P2P file sharing and trading music on hard drives. NPD estimates that 13% of Internet users downloaded music from a P2P site in 2011, down from a peak of 19% in 2006. In addition to giving customers more legitimate sources to find music, the industry has worked hard to crack down on file sharing sites.
In other words, it was both law enforcement AND more sources that led to renewed growth.
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Heh, we read what we want to read. This is the last paragraph in the music article:

In other words, it was both law enforcement AND more sources that led to renewed growth.
The assertion that piracy fell because of greater law enforcement is not supported by any evidence in the linked article. That seems to just be the assumption of the author rather than a fact support by evidence.

I apologize for posting this all the time (this will be the 3rd and last time, probably) but it is appropriate:



The above is supported by evidence, you can view the report here. You'll note that the dates in the chart don't really correspond to the recent crackdowns.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:22 AM   #7
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Yeah, the folly of ascribing gains significantly to a decline in piracy is that old convenient assumption that any instance of piracy is necessarily a lost sale, and the equally fallacious corollary attempted here that a thwarted attempt at piracy necessarily converts into a legitimate sale from a legitimate source. The mind does indeed infer what one wants to infer.

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Music sales stage comeback; CD buyers up for second year


“After years of losing buyers, caused by many consumers who simply stopped buying music, the total number of CD buyers increased for the second consecutive year, growing 2% to 78 million [in 2011],” the company said."
I wonder what a "music buyer" is.

If I buy two CD's, am I two buyers?

If I buy twelve download tracks, am I twelve buyers?
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But it is not enough for them. They NEED to make more money and you know, all those downloads are all lost sales. They have the (doctored) figures to show us all!
But if they stopped making up all those graphs about lost sales and the decline of authors ever wanting to be motivated to write ever ever again, where am I going to read my free humor fiction?
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I rather innocently thought, when I first dived into the seething world that is ereading, that DRM kind of stood for "Don't Read Me" - on any other reader but ours, even though you prefer it, and might think it better than ours, which may well be true .........

And of course, it greatly increases ( here we go, the hoary old chestnut) "consumer choice", dunnit ..........
DRM = "Diseased Reading Materials"
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But if they stopped making up all those graphs about lost sales and the decline of authors ever wanting to be motivated to write ever ever again, where am I going to read my free humor fiction?
Oh so true. They are a perfect case study in believing their own lies.
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But if they stopped making up all those graphs about lost sales and the decline of authors ever wanting to be motivated to write ever ever again, where am I going to read my free humor fiction?
Free? FREE? But, but.....we have copyright over those graphs you freeleeching pirate!
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Free? FREE? But, but.....we have copyright over those graphs you freeleeching pirate!
That's when I can make up a pretty graph of my own and publish it - run through an image program, put all kinds of intellectual case study data crap underneath, and boom, instant PhD haha!
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