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Old 02-10-2012, 04:00 PM   #376
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I do not concede the point, and I haven't changed the subject. There simply is no possible way to interpret his article as calling for copyright to be limited. Even at life +70 years, he still calls that stealing, the equivalent of slavery or confiscating farms. His point is that there should be no point where the work enters the public domain.
You changed the subject when you went from "how many interpretations are there" to "he's a liar."

You conceeded the point because there is no way for him to be a liar unless there are two interpretations.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:22 PM   #377
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You changed the subject when you went from "how many interpretations are there" to "he's a liar."

You conceeded the point because there is no way for him to be a liar unless there are two interpretations.
You claimed that it was possible to interpret his article as being for limited copyright, but such an interpretation is not possible, he explicitly makes the case for eternal copyright.

If he claimed in his book that he is in favor of limited times for copyright, but claims in the article that he is for eternal copyright, then one of the claims must be a lie. The question is which was the lie, the claim in the book or the claim in the article? It has nothing to do with interpretations.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:24 PM   #378
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Copyright would have given the author the right to sell his play to one company, which he did anyway. What you quoted has to do with what the company did next. They didn't keep the script, and that is why it didn't survive intact in time. They tried to keep the script from being copied, just like the publishers are using DRM today, and that is why few copies exist. They didn't want the script to circulate. If there would have been copyright laws then we wouldn't have had the copies we have today.
I am answering the question that was asked, namely, how does lack of copyright lead to fewer copies rather than more?

Please read this again, with attention to the bold:

Per Dr. Debora B. Schwartz (English Department, California Polytechnic State University): http://cla.calpoly.edu/~dschwart/engl339/problems.html

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Because there was no such thing as copyright in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, playwrights and theatrical troupes tried to keep their plays out of print. Without copyright protection, there was no compensation to a troupe and/or playwright if a rival troupe obtained a copy of and produced a play, thereby cutting into the original troupe's audience (and profits). For this reason (and because copying handwritten scripts was a long and tedious task), individual actors generally received only a copy of their individual lines and cues. Some of the quarto versions of Shakespeare's plays seem to have been pirated from a single actor's partial script, with other passages reconstructed from memory or invented.

Do you see it now? They made fewer copies in order to prevent piracy. This is not a universal statement about how copyright impacts copying - it is a particular statement about how the dynamics of copying worked in Shakespearean theatres.

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The kind of variances I am talking about were brought up by you.
Where? I don't recall doing that, so unless you can point it out, I'll just continue to think I didn't.

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You base this on what?
Humor. Or at least, an attempt at it. I thought that the title of the missing Shakespeare play was pretty funny...

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Or he would have been a pirate, or he wouldn't have had the money to pay the royalties and his works would have never been created.
Not Shakespeare. He was that unusual thing, a creative artist who was also a businessman. Depend upon it, he would have thrived under copyright.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:33 PM   #379
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If he claimed in his book that he is in favor of limited times for copyright, but claims in the article that he is for eternal copyright, then one of the claims must be a lie. The question is which was the lie, the claim in the book or the claim in the article? It has nothing to do with interpretations.
I have provide you with an explanation. I cannot provide you with an understanding.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:45 PM   #380
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I have provide you with an explanation. I cannot provide you with an understanding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690

So, I will just say "lets call it a draw."
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:16 PM   #381
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Do you see it now? They made fewer copies in order to prevent piracy.
If you think about it for about 10 seconds or so you will see that this cannot be true. The rivals can easily get the script by having an actor attend the play and memorizing the lines.

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Where? I don't recall doing that, so unless you can point it out, I'll just continue to think I didn't.
Or you could read what you wrote:
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On the other hand, because of the lack of copyright, we do not have any accurate version of Shakespeare's plays. If you know anything beyond high school Shakespeare, you know, for instance, that there are two different versions of Hamlet.
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Not Shakespeare. He was that unusual thing, a creative artist who was also a businessman. Depend upon it, he would have thrived under copyright.
He thrived without it showing yet again that copyright is not necessary.
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:02 AM   #382
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Perpetual copyright extending retroactively into perpetuity? Shakespeare probably wouldn't have even been taught how to read. Why bother when all your entertainment needs are provided for you by the big 6 players?
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