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Old 01-13-2012, 11:40 AM   #1
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There is no reason a simple book should have more than 10 styles.
Body
cover style
titlepage style
Chapter title block style
First Paragraph (optional), dropcap (optional)
regular paragraphs (can be default body stle. so redundent
scene break style
fine-print style (copyright, raves)
Where can I go to see a sample CSS that would cover some or all of these items? For example, dropcaps. Here is a start of a chapter:

<p class="flush"><span class=dropcaps>I</span> began

And here is the CSS for dropcaps:

}
span.dropcaps {
float: left;
font-size: 3em;
margin-bottom: -0.3em;
margin-top: -0.3em;
}


Alas, both the e-ink Kindle (which supposedly doesn't support KF8 standard) and the Kindle Fire (which supposedly does) render the dropcap exactly the same. The large letter "I" appears on a line by itself, followed by the rest of that opening sentence, beginning with "began". I don't know whether this is a flaw in my CSS or in the KF8 instructions/standard.

(I was pleased to see that the "flush" CSS worked as expected.... Or could my result come from the combination of float: left and flush?)
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:21 PM   #2
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Try somthing like this:
<p class="first">I began...</p>
<p>normal text</p>

With this css:
.first:first-letter {font-size:175%;}
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Thanks, but no joy. The Kindles just ignore that. Evidently only the dropcap language as I gave it is allowed. Probably I futzed up the CSS somehow.

“Normal” text must use the default font size. The <font size=”…”> tag or its equivalent in CSS should not be used in “normal” text.
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Mobipocket ignores a lot of things ePub supports like true blockquotes.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:29 PM   #5
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Thanks, but no joy. The Kindles just ignore that.
No, he doesn't.
It looks like this:


Maybe you use not the right tool to convert to mobi? I use calibre.

Source looks like this:
<body>
<h4 id="heading_id_2">16.</h4>

<p class="center"><img alt="-----" height="12" src="../Images/hr.gif" width="100%" /></p>

<p class="first">»Kurzmeldung, Mr. Courtenay«, sagte die Stimme meiner Sekretärin. Ich drückte auf den Knopf. »Natschu in Albany auf Denunzierung des Nachbarn festgenommen. Soll ich ihn auf die Liste setzen?«</p>

<p>»Verdammt noch mal!« explodierte ich. »Wie oft soll ich Ihnen grundsätzliche Anweisungen wiederholen? Natürlich kommt er auf die Liste. Warum zum Teufel nicht?«</p>
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:56 PM   #6
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But - and forgive me for pointing this out - that's not a drop cap. A drop cap is when the initial letter extends downwards, not upwards.
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Ah, okay, I did not know THAT was the main point here.
In this case the "float: left;" is the culprit, and yes, unfortunately, this seems not to be supported by mobi.
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Try somthing like this:
<p class="first">I began...</p>
<p>normal text</p>

With this css:
.first:first-letter {font-size:175%;}
pseudo-classes should not be used in XHTML for ePubs.
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Old 01-18-2012, 05:05 AM   #9
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But - and forgive me for pointing this out - that's not a drop cap. A drop cap is when the initial letter extends downwards, not upwards.
Yes, that image is neither a dropcap nor a BFL (Big First Letter), which is an enlarged letter which is encapsulated in a "box" of white around it, usually extending 3 lines downward. That is a "Calibre Special," as I call it, genuinely called a "Raised Initial," and it's usually the result of nothing more than a span setting the fontsize to 1.5 or 2; in some cases (rare) to 2.5 or 3 ems. Nothing more. Calibre does this routinely when it encounters anything it construes as an attempt at a dropcap. That's not magic--it's simply Calibre.

Stupid question, but, to the OP: when did you try to generate this, using that dropcap span, and is the only result you obtained a Raised Initial? Is that correct? And did you use KG or Previewer, and I presume, since this is the SIGIL forum, and not the KINDLE or MOBI forum, nor the ePUB forum, that you used an ePUB you made in Sigil? Which you then fed to...what, KG? Or previewer, or...?


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This is what I did in the CSS:

span.dropcap {float: left; font-size: 4.7em; line-height: 0.8em; margin-right: 3pt; margin-bottom: -0.1em;}

It sure works on my computer.
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But "float: left" does not work in mobi (at least not on my Kindle by conversion from epub with Calibre)
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But "float: left" does not work in mobi (at least not on my Kindle by conversion from epub with Calibre)
We know that drop-caps don't work in Mobi. That's not what's being discussed here.
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We know that drop-caps don't work in Mobi. That's not what's being discussed here.
If you read the first post, you'll see this is exactly what we are discussing here.
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If you read the first post, you'll see this is exactly what we are discussing here.
But we DO know that drop-caps don't work in Mobi, because Mobi doesn't support "float".
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But we DO know that drop-caps don't work in Mobi, because Mobi doesn't support "float".
I know and I know you know. But not everybody knows or this thread would not exist.
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