Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > News

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-07-2011, 07:45 PM   #16
Nyssa
Series Addict
Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nyssa ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Nyssa's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,455
Karma: 53485457
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Florida, USA
Device: Kindle 3 (Wifi Only), Kindle Paperwhite
Quote:
Originally Posted by xg4bx View Post
i'm a long time veteran of the video game wars so exclusivity is old hat to me and really no big deal.

imo this is childish as hell of b&n. they took their toys and went home so their customers get nothing now. feel how you want about amazon but the b&n response was utterly juvenile, especially over a deal with an expiration date.

maybe i'm just a weirdo, i refuse to hate amazon. they're successful because they're smart businessmen and broker deals to benefit their customers and brand. any one of us would be cutting the same deals in their position. they're a business, not a charity. i don't know why people are so eager to tear down one of the last american companies that does right by their customers and isn't involved in shenanigans.
I may not have worded it quite as strongly/sternly, but I do agree. I think B&N is doing their customers a disservice and biting off their nose to spit their face.
If I were looking for a DC comic I certainly would have looked there with the expectation of buying something, unless, of course, I was looking for a very specific title. In that case, I would expect to have to search numerous places. With this move, however they would be ensuring not only the loss of that sale, but the loss of every other comic sale (DC, Marvel, or other) becuase I would no longer see them as a viable or reliable source.
Nyssa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 07:55 PM   #17
BrowseTheStacks
BrowseTheStacks
BrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notesBrowseTheStacks can name that song in three notes
 
BrowseTheStacks's Avatar
 
Posts: 125
Karma: 24084
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tampa FL
Device: Kindle 3 3G + WI-FI
Quote:
Originally Posted by teh603 View Post
Agreed, I wasn't planning on putting anything up there either since I don't like the Kindle's DRM "features"- particularly the one that can shut off its text-to-speech chip. This is just going to be another nail in the coffin.
Be mad at the publishers not at Amazon. Amazon lets you publish 100% DRM-free. It is the Agency 6 and others who lock the books down.
BrowseTheStacks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 08:22 PM   #18
frahse
occasional author
frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
frahse's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,652
Karma: 2049954002
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains.
Device: Kindle3-3G, Archos 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by xg4bx View Post
i'm a long time veteran of the video game wars so exclusivity is old hat to me and really no big deal.

imo this is childish as hell of b&n. they took their toys and went home so their customers get nothing now. feel how you want about amazon but the b&n response was utterly juvenile, especially over a deal with an expiration date.

maybe i'm just a weirdo, i refuse to hate amazon. they're successful because they're smart businessmen and broker deals to benefit their customers and brand. any one of us would be cutting the same deals in their position. they're a business, not a charity. i don't know why people are so eager to tear down one of the last american companies that does right by their customers and isn't involved in shenanigans.
They are very good to me.
A good friend indeed.
frahse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 08:29 PM   #19
frahse
occasional author
frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
frahse's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,652
Karma: 2049954002
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains.
Device: Kindle3-3G, Archos 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowseTheStacks View Post
Be mad at the publishers not at Amazon. Amazon lets you publish 100% DRM-free. It is the Agency 6 and others who lock the books down.
Many just don't listen to common sense. Their senseless rage against Amazon is boundless. They blame Amazon for copyrighting. They blame Amazon for bowing to the Publishers demands for high prices.

The real problem with the Agency model isn't a monopoly as we normally think of it, but of trying to control the book after it has been sold.
I suppose next the Publishers will try to control the physical book when you and I try to sell it second hand.

Oh wait, they have already tried to get a cut of the second hand market and the third and so on.

And yet some here are so blinded with rage that they kick the shins of the person feeding them.
frahse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 08:49 PM   #20
JeremyR
Guru
JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JeremyR's Avatar
 
Posts: 969
Karma: 2458216
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: St. Louis
Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+
Do comic book fans even buy comics from B&N? Every time I go in there, there's always a few reading them, but I've never see one actually buy them.

That's the trouble with a medium that can be read in 15 minutes
JeremyR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 09:36 PM   #21
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,974
Karma: 17083916
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
I find Amazon's tactics to be bad for consumers. Exclusivity is bad for consumers who do not buy from Amazon. And those that do buy exclusive content from Amazon just adds fuel to the fire. It's not good overall to buy anything from Amazon that Amazon has exclusive.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 10:24 PM   #22
vaughnmr
Ebook Reader
vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.vaughnmr ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 604
Karma: 3205128
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Texas
Device: Kindle 3, HTC Evo, HTC View
Quote:
Originally Posted by teh603 View Post
Agreed, I wasn't planning on putting anything up there either since I don't like the Kindle's DRM "features"- particularly the one that can shut off its text-to-speech chip. This is just going to be another nail in the coffin.
You should know it's the publishers who insist on drm, limits to TTS, and limit or deny loaning, not to mention limits to library lending. If you are an author, how can you be so misinformed?
vaughnmr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 10:59 PM   #23
Ken Maltby
Wizard
Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ken Maltby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Ken Maltby's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,626
Karma: 3758701
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: The Heart of Texas
Device: JetBook Lite, AuraHD, PDA, Eee Transformer
Hmm... It's the publishers not Amazon? Who else besides Amazon is using Topaz?
Why do they have their own Format AND their own DRM? Why are they trying to
lock down certain authors, with exclusive contracts? Their whole approach to ebooks
and their own eReading device has been to limit/constrain the consumer, ala Apple.
Why is there not a common format and DRM employed by the publisher, that you would
see at all the retailers, if it is the publisher who insist on DRM?

Luck;
Ken
Ken Maltby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 11:09 PM   #24
L.J. Sellers
Novelist
L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.L.J. Sellers ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
L.J. Sellers's Avatar
 
Posts: 286
Karma: 387979
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Device: Kindle
I love Amazon. I pay all my bills with the royalty payments I get from the company. But I still think exclusive deals are not customer friendly, at least from the author's perspective. I don't know what I'd do if Amazon offered me such a contract. The money and exposure would be tempting! I should be so lucky as to have that problem.
L.J.
[Promotional link deleted - MODERATOR]

Last edited by Dr. Drib; 02-26-2012 at 06:32 AM.
L.J. Sellers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2011, 11:28 PM   #25
NightBird
Wizard
NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.NightBird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
NightBird's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,364
Karma: 3724797
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: California
Device: KPW, KF, KF HD, iPod Touch
Quote:
5.6 DRM and Geofiltering Technology. We may, but are not obligated, to provide you the option to apply DRM technology in connection with the distribution of your Digital Books. If we provide you the option to apply DRM technology, you acknowledge that we make no representations as to the efficacy of the DRM and will not be responsible for any failure of the DRM. We also may, but are not obligated, to use geofiltering technology as a way of determining which customers are entitled to purchase Digital Books, for example, where you indicate that you do not have worldwide distribution rights to a Digital Book through the procedure we provide to you for that purpose. If we use geofiltering technology when distributing your Digital Books, distribution will be deemed to have taken place within the permitted distribution territories for the Digital Books, even though customers may, in fact, be located outside those territories.
Kindle Direct Publishing Terms and Conditions

Quote:
Are all Kindle titles eligible for lending through the Kindle Book Lending program? Yes, all books are eligible. However, publishers may choose to opt their books out of the lending program if they have chosen 35% royalty option and have not made the same book eligible for lending in other retailer programs.
Lending for Kindle

Quote:
2-4. Are there any other requirements for participation in the 70 percent royalty option?
Yes, additional requirements include:
• Titles must be made available for sale in all geographies for which the author or publisher has rights.
The title will be included in a broad set of features in the Kindle Store, such as text-to-speech. This list of features will grow over time as Amazon continues to add more functionality to Kindle and the Kindle Store.
Sales and Royalties FAQ
NightBird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 01:06 AM   #26
frahse
occasional author
frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
frahse's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,652
Karma: 2049954002
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains.
Device: Kindle3-3G, Archos 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Maltby View Post
Hmm... It's the publishers not Amazon? Who else besides Amazon is using Topaz?
Why do they have their own Format AND their own DRM? Why are they trying to
lock down certain authors, with exclusive contracts? Their whole approach to ebooks
and their own eReading device has been to limit/constrain the consumer, ala Apple.
Why is there not a common format and DRM employed by the publisher, that you would
see at all the retailers, if it is the publisher who insist on DRM?

Luck;
Ken
So, since Amazon doesn't have a ineffective DRM they are the consumer's enemy?
If B&N and Amazon both want to sell my books, do I want them to have half baked DRM. Should I choose the weakest DRM and go with the Seller who uses that. Should I choose the weakest company in general who will make mistakes in advertising, presenting, shipping, and billing, with all these mistakes eventually trickling down to my small share of the profit. No.
An Author and a Publisher will choose the best Company, and if he/she doesn't want copy protection he/she will choose "no copy protection."

Don't fault Amazon because it is a competent business.

Don't fault a bank because it chooses to have a good vault, and the best security. I am sure you won't if it has your money.

Do we see the authors that are badmouthing Amazon and claiming to be one with the consumers putting their books online for downloading for say, one half the going price, with a honor system where you can send them payment by PayPal or Credit card, or pay them later when you get the cash?
frahse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 01:13 AM   #27
frahse
occasional author
frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
frahse's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,652
Karma: 2049954002
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains.
Device: Kindle3-3G, Archos 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSWolf View Post
I find Amazon's tactics to be bad for consumers. Exclusivity is bad for consumers who do not buy from Amazon. And those that do buy exclusive content from Amazon just adds fuel to the fire. It's not good overall to buy anything from Amazon that Amazon has exclusive.
Exclusivity allows Amazon or B&N to spend more money on advertising and promoting a book. It will provide more money to the authors who will eventually put out more books for the consumer.

If the authors can't make it, they will go elsewhere to make a living.
frahse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 01:18 AM   #28
frahse
occasional author
frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.frahse ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
frahse's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,652
Karma: 2049954002
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Wandering God's glorious hills, valleys and plains.
Device: Kindle3-3G, Archos 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
Do comic book fans even buy comics from B&N? Every time I go in there, there's always a few reading them, but I've never see one actually buy them.

That's the trouble with a medium that can be read in 15 minutes
I've often thought that the Sellers should only put out a new comic on the rack every other month, or every 3 months. Then the reader/buyer might have more initiative to buy the others which are held behind the counter. Sometimes they enclose the issues with a secure plastic sleeve. I don't know which is more effective.
frahse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 01:30 AM   #29
Suzanna
Living in the past
Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Suzanna ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Suzanna's Avatar
 
Posts: 431
Karma: 6011289
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Toronto
Device: Kobo Aura, Kobo Arc
It's no more childish than Amazon removing the buy buttons from all Macmillan books in early 2010. Given how Amazon blinked and caved when the publisher held firm on wanting to institute agency pricing, I'm surprised that B&N decided, essentially, to use the same tactic. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their minds soon.
Suzanna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2011, 01:47 AM   #30
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,974
Karma: 17083916
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
Quote:
Originally Posted by frahse View Post
Exclusivity allows Amazon or B&N to spend more money on advertising and promoting a book. It will provide more money to the authors who will eventually put out more books for the consumer.

If the authors can't make it, they will go elsewhere to make a living.
I don't care if they go beg for money on the street instead of write books. If they want to make exclusive deals that are not good for the customer, they don't deserve to sell. Anyone who signs an exclusive deal is not doing so for the good of customers. Amazon is the worst one for this. If B&N is also doing it, then that's just as bad. But really, when is exclusive good for everyone who reads? It's not. Not ever.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
amazon, b&n, dc comic, exclusivity, kindle fire

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
'What Price Liberty' available pre-publication as variable price ebook garygibsonsf Deals, Freebies, and Resources (No Self-Promotion) 2 11-04-2010 10:38 PM
Amazon gets exclusivity deal B.Tackitt News 76 08-24-2010 10:54 PM
Ended Kindle 2 For Sale - Only $99! [Bidding price starts at this price] MCavacini Flea Market 8 08-06-2010 03:45 PM
Why doesn't the price of an E-book reflect the price of a paperback book? t-town News 7 02-24-2010 11:44 AM
eBook price vs pBook price--is that fair?? rlparker Amazon Kindle 11 10-06-2008 11:55 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:35 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.