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Old 09-26-2011, 01:20 PM   #61
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Well, one potential issue I can see being a consideration is that as MR grows and attracts more members as e-readers become increasingly popular, some of the newer ones might end up seeing the Deals forum as a way to $$$MAKE MONEY FAST$$$.

Then they might end up posting individual threads for each and every one of their bargain "finds" which happen to be under $5 (instead of the tidy and considerate grouped-per-publisher time-limited discounts/well-known author on special promotion threads that people currently post), thus leading to a lot of clutter as they try to put their affiliate link out.
I thought of that, but would that be a bad thing? I mean, I check the Deals forum DAILY, and it's rare for there to be more than, what? 5 new deals a day? 6, maybe? I would actually LIKE more deals.

If the deals posters are making a dollar a day, they are working at an ABYSMAL hourly rate. I mean, really, I'm glad they're getting tipped, but it's obvious that this isn't going to be anyone's primary source of income.

And the mods deal well with link spam, I think.

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Old 09-26-2011, 01:35 PM   #62
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I thought of that, but would that be a bad thing? I mean, I check the Deals forum DAILY, and it's rare for there to be more than, what? 5 new deals a day? 6, maybe? I would actually LIKE more deals.
It's a matter of volume. Remember a couple of weeks ago when we had that spate of 40-odd Dorchester/Leisure freebies which were Kindle-only on top of the "regular" new free books offerings and that pushed just that single day's worth of posts to about 3 pages back?

Now imagine that, but for book "deals" which aren't even free, and may just happen to be books which are low-priced backlist at under $5 regularly. And given the way these things seem to work, they'd probably all be Kindle-tagged deals, which would inevitably lead to more complaints by non Kindle-users who'll have a harder time finding deals for their own readers.

Perhaps it could be dealt with by having a separate sub-forum just for the freebies, and let people post what they will as "bargains", so that posters looking for either in particular will be able to quickly zero in.

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If the deals posters are making a dollar a day, they are working at an ABYSMAL hourly rate. I mean, really, I'm glad they're getting tipped, but it's obvious that this isn't going to be anyone's primary source of income.
Eh, apparently most people who use affiliate links (and also those who try their hand at various forms of spam) do it as a spare-time supplementary thing anyway. It doesn't really take that much time to pick a random low-priced book and stick a link-tag on it, any more than it does to Send To All on an email list one got of via the pyramid marketing scheme that is apparently new spam recruitment.

It won't pay the rent, but as I mentioned, it might just pay for a few new shiny Kindles With Special Offers.
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I thought of that, but would that be a bad thing? I mean, I check the Deals forum DAILY, and it's rare for there to be more than, what? 5 new deals a day? 6, maybe? I would actually LIKE more deals.
Only if they're less Kindle-centric!

That's why I want separate threads that lists the device/store in the subject line. So I can find the ones I'm looking for among the large crowd of Kindle deals and freebies.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:54 PM   #64
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I thought there was already a "deal" rule that the price couldn't be a permanent thing -- it had to be some kind of time-dependent deal. So the flood of constantly 2.99 books scenario is already prohibited (and presumably dealt with without our seeing it) by moderation.

Less Kindle-centric would be nice. B&N has an affiliate program, too. But I'm not going to spend all my day to help Strangers on the Internet if I can't be allowed to put out a tip jar.

I'd perfectly support a split between "free" and "under $5" if the forum got THAT busy. I'm doubtful of Worst Case Scenarios, though. Not for a buck a day payoff. Most people are not going to commit that time and effort for a Get Rich Quick scheme that won't.
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this whole thing is giving me a headache!!! :P
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #66
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Now koland has a thread. I want to start one too, if all the cool kids are doing it.

Ya'll will subscribe to MY affiliate link thread, right? I'll stock it with koland's and arcadata's finds. I'll use their links directly, so they'll get the tip, but this will put all the finds in one place for everyone to easily find. (If only we had a forum for that...)
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:10 PM   #67
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Well, one potential issue I can see being a consideration is that as MR grows and attracts more members as e-readers become increasingly popular, some of the newer ones might end up seeing the Deals forum as a way to $$$MAKE MONEY FAST$$$.
Sadly, there are enough hucksters out there to attract these folk -- they charge them money for "webmalls" and to sign them up as affiliates in places (assuming they actually do so - would you give your SS and bank info to a place selling you a website?). Over on some affiliate forums, you see them show up daily, having spent anywhere from a few hundreds to thousands of dollars (all of which is, of course, wasted).

Most eventually accept that the average affiliate at Amazon earns in the 10's of dollars/month and to get a sustained >$100/month account can take a very long time (about the same is true at Adsense, which works well for some sites and not well at all for others). Very, very few sites make enough to consider it a 'day job', especially not for any length of time.

You can, with a bit of effort (and if you don't mind getting a 1099 at year end), make enough to keep you in ebooks (although, for many, only if you include the free ones you turn up as part of your pay ).

It's not a big deal, really, to not post aff tags. Although what I've seen in other forums that changed their formats (or actively discouraged other's tags) is that, over time, the communities shrank and eventually only authors self-promoting (or cross promoting) started to dominate (usually, until they too were banned).

I do think the mega threads will get to be a problem (it's one reason I start a new one for Kindle in that forum, each month, and was asked to do one for the nook, although it's thread never got nearly as long).
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Now koland has a thread. I want to start one too, if all the cool kids are doing it.

Ya'll will subscribe to MY affiliate link thread, right? I'll stock it with koland's and arcadata's finds. I'll use their links directly, so they'll get the tip, but this will put all the finds in one place for everyone to easily find. (If only we had a forum for that...)
I will - we can trade tips (umm... wait, I can't SUGGEST that, but that doesn't mean we can't, right?)

Maybe every cool kid needs their own forum? sub-forum? then, they could add threads for each device ...... and we can all read a few dozen forums to keep up, of course.

In the meantime, I should do some real work today (rather than goofing off while listening to an audiobook).
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Well, at the end, I hope people who don't like aff link fell good, because I think that a lot of people is going to be more uncomfortable with this. Anyway, subscription it is.
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Already there are several duplicate titles listed in the "Affiliates" threads.
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Old 09-26-2011, 04:08 PM   #71
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Already there are several duplicate titles listed in the "Affiliates" threads.
I think we should all start one.
I want to be popular.

In all seriousness, are the mods reading this and do they care about our feewings? Best I can tell, there's been no green text since the "No Author Self-Promotions in the Deals Forums" announcement.
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That's what actually puzzles me the most about this announcement. Unless the moderators plan to allow for duplicate threads, they've created a lot of extra work for themselves. What self-respecting moderator team does that?

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I think this is a very bad idea and an overreaction, and should be reconsidered.

It means duplication and confusion for members looking for the deals and freebies. Now I'll have to look through posts in numerous threads, instead of being able to quickly scan the deals section by book titles or devices.

I think it would be better to have the individuals who post affiliate links include a sentence in each post disclosing their affiliate relationship, if the powers-that-be think some kind of disclosure is truly necessary.
My 2 cents here... I fully agree with Catlady.
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I'm a little surprised that this decision was made based on some complaints to the mods without vetting it with the larger community? If there was a discussion thread on the issue, I didn't see it, but maybe I missed it somewhere?

I mean, the people in this thread have been pretty vocal about NOT liking the change, so it seems like the complaints were, ah, possibly not representative of the Mobile Read community as a whole.

I realize this isn't a democracy (and that's a good thing, I love Mobile Read, no complaints), but could we maybe get a vote/poll on this particular issue? I'd like my opinion in favor of the affiliate links to count as much as the people complaining about the affiliate links.
FWIW So far I haven't read any post that is jumping-up-and-down happy about this change. And not that the Powers that Be owe us an explanation, but I'm a little surprised that they are this silent. I'm assuming that there is a good reason for the change, but I sure can't figure out what it is

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The only issue I've had was when Arcdata flooded the forum making hard to see other new posts. The affiliate links where never an issue. I knew they existed. I just didn't care. If others can make some extra money that way, more power to them. It's not coming out of my pocket. If it was, then I would have something to say.
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